$200 NLHE Full Ring: $200 NL Live - Set of Aces on flop, how would you proceed?

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Sit down at a 1/2 live game, 3rd hand of night, just sat down 10 minutes prior. I'm dealt AcAs in Small Blind. Big Blind is dealt in, UTG+2 calls $2, Cut-off also calls $2.

I raise to $10, BB insta calls, UTG+2 insta calls, Cut off folds. We go to flop with 3 players.

Flop comes down 4dAhJc.

As hero I flop top set AAA. I check with every intention of check-raising action. If this was heads up versus 3 way I might have raised to avoid giving away free card.

BB bets $15 into the $30ish sized pot.

UTG+2 folds.

Hero re-raises to $45. BB calls.

Turn is Qd (I initially thought in thinking back it was Qs but in talking after the hand, villain insists it was a diamond, he may be correct).

Hero bets $70 , villain thinks for a minute and calls.

River is 10c

Board is now 4dAhJcQd10c...

Hero is first to act, hero?
 
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In a live game where people call more.

We should be raising 16 esp with limpers.

I would check raise x4 and shove turns
 
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Playing how you did. quietly, and confidently say good luck all-in works 5% of the time.
 
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In a live game where people call more.

We should be raising 16 esp with limpers.

I would check raise x4 and shove turns

I see what you mean about limpers. I generally try to keep my PFR standard, I'll occasionally tweak in during a session depending on the table dynamics (i.e. if most of table is opening $15 standard, I'll stick to around $12-16 but if they're opening for like $8 I'll stick to $7-10. I feel at times that changing the PFR too much for limpers (the standard 3-5x plus on bb per limper makes good math sense) sends a hand strength signal out there like "oh that guy usually only bets $10 pre flop to open, now he's betting $16, must be stronger?".

I totally agree though about the check raise on flop being 4x instead of my 3x. And I also agree a shove on turn would have either given me a fold and thus the pot or given him horrendous odds to continue but paid off nicely if he calls and misses.

Playing how you did. quietly, and confidently say good luck all-in works 5% of the time.

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. I do tend to quietly and confidently make moves, some live players read me as unsteady or unsure (I have a condition that sometimes messes with my dexterity and grip so chips get knocked, dropped, shook unintentionally, it's really a great false tell esp being young, haha). But as for your say good luck all in works 5% of time, can you clarify this?
 
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Hah, someone posted a very similar hand recently (flopped set OP, board gets scary).

I have no problem with ur line fwiw, but as I stated in the other post, I think I like check-call most as a default river strategy here. The single most important factor I think is if u think villain is capable of bluffing in this spot. I believe most players (at 1/2) would be afraid to bluff into this board even if u showed weakness on the river. Second most important factor would be stack sizes. For example, if he is short enough that u would call his all in, then u might as well make the bet urself.

EDIT: This also a great time to get a live read! Villain's actions in this hand will give u LOTS of information.
 
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I would have shipped it on the turn. There was well over $100 in the pot. Make him pay to hit that gut straight. I assume he had AK?
 
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Hah, someone posted a very similar hand recently (flopped set OP, board gets scary).

I have no problem with ur line fwiw, but as I stated in the other post, I think I like check-call most as a default river strategy here. The single most important factor I think is if u think villain is capable of bluffing in this spot. I believe most players (at 1/2) would be afraid to bluff into this board even if u showed weakness on the river. Second most important factor would be stack sizes. For example, if he is short enough that u would call his all in, then u might as well make the bet urself.

EDIT: This also a great time to get a live read! Villain's actions in this hand will give u LOTS of information.


Hah. It might have been me. I posted another top set flop where the guy turned a gut shot against my flopped JJJ two weeks ago. Same outcome , except I called his shove because his remaining stack was like 25% of mine. It was good enough. Villain is pretty straight forward. He hits TPTK on that flop, many worse players would have shipped that on flop or turn on this board making us tons long run.

I would have shipped it on the turn. There was well over $100 in the pot. Make him pay to hit that gut straight. I assume he had AK?

I've gotten mixed feedback. Some say ship the turn and let the cards fall as they may. Others say bet to keep getting more out of villain to draw if he's at risk to fold to a turn shove. I think on turn I could have bet just a little more (maybe $90-$100). And you are correct:

::SPOILER::

Villain had AK.
 
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I don't think villain is folding AK on the flop if you went all in there. The result would have been the same. Its a bad beat.

I have lost similarly with a set of Aces to QJ with villain making his straight on the river. After 3 bet and all in and a call on the flop, it proceeded similarly. Nothing we can do. Its low limit live and fishes need love too from poker gods.
 
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I don't think villain is folding AK on the flop if you went all in there. The result would have been the same. Its a bad beat.

I have lost similarly with a set of Aces to QJ with villain making his straight on the river. After 3 bet and all in and a call on the flop, it proceeded similarly. Nothing we can do. Its low limit live and fishes need love too from poker gods.

Good point.
 
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