$200 NLHE Full Ring: $1/$3 AA...(what shoud I've done on the turn)

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Okay, so I'm playing with $246 in front of me, AhAd utg.
I raise $15, I have tight table image, I ended up getting four caller's(BB calls)

So Pot: $61 Flop comes: 8h3d4d

BB check's, I bet $20, all three call

So Pot: $141 Turn comes: As

BB bet's $106, I am covered by him..... What is the play here?

I know I made a mistake on the flop but, what do you do here?
 
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THe cbet on the flop is very small,20 $ in 61 $ pot with 4 players in the pot...On the turn shove ,is the right move here.
 
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Is this live or online?

Anyway:

I cant imagine how this 1/3 stake is so loose.

Not only did you make mistake on flop, but on preflop likewise.

And please, dont make another mistake on turn. Remember, your stake is a very decent one.
 
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It's live, And with my image, I usually didn't get too much action, but this hand I did. I know on the flop I should have bet pot or a little under pot.

Any guesses on what he had?
 
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hay!

I am very confused. I like the Pre raise. Its a big raise but I guess your opponents were very loose and pasive and then I like it.

You C-bet the flop and I like that. You should have made it alot bigger because you did think that your opponents were loose passive Pre so you should bet big because you think that they will make misstakes anyways and bigger bet = bigger misstake.

The turn is hard. First I though that you should just call to give the other callers the misstake to call one more with a draw or made hand. But I dont really think that they will call with many made hands this big and you dont really want to give the Draws a too good price to get to the river. I would go all-in because I dont want to give anyone the chanse to get the right odds with a draw. Because than you are forcing them to make the right play with a straight or flush draw. I still think the SB will call. I dont really know what to put him on, He is playing so weird. The only hand that really could make sense here is some 2 pair hand. If I had to take a guess I would put him on A8, A4 or A3. What every I am putting him on I see something wrong with it. The only hands that could make some what sense is A8, A4 or A3. I think I could have played those hands this way. Got great odds PRE, Great odds on the flop and now made 2 pair and wants to get full value. Even though I would not have bet out the turn I still think that he could have dont that because he though you would have done a too small bet and he wanted to charge the draw? If its not some of those hands than its a hand that is worse than 2 pair and is just a silly bluff.

Can you post the result? It would be funny to see what SB got when he took such a weird line :p
 
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THe cbet on the flop is very small,20 $ in 61 $ pot with 4 players in the pot...On the turn shove ,is the right move here.


Hi Bruce. I definately agree with PCK. You shuld have bet about $40.00 as a c-bet. As he has bet on the turn I suspect he has a large pair like you. He waited to see if anyone made a move on the flop or if a Ace was flopped. When he saw the Ace on the turn he bet large to scare anyone away. Your move should be to push all-in and take the pot down. Gl....................:D:D:D
 
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Well guys, I agree I should have raised more than $20 on the flop. And the guy is in the BB. When the turn hit I had a set of aces, when he lead out for that bet, I thought he hit a two pair hand or maybe a set of 8's disguising his hand with the ace knowing I'd probably have at least an Ace. So I re-raised all-in the other two players fold and he calls.

He turned over 5d2d.... He had me beat on the turn and then he hit the 6d on the river to get the straight flush..... Looking back at it, with a bet of $40-$60 on the flop, he still may call because he has implied odds if he hits any of his draws.... I think the result was unavoidable to an extent.
 
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Hi Bruce. Your re raise is very correct.

Now, this hand, as it progresses is very remote live.

What I can say is, I have a feeling theres something wrong going on. Something fishy.

Sure, time and again, these things happen.

But now, be very vigilant. You should observe the players and the dealers too.
 
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Yea, next time I go to that room I am going to be on high alert for any foul play, but I hope it's not/doubt it.
 
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Okay we have AA..

Quite a dangerous flop with a lot of loose players, and if we are extremely tight our cards are faceup.

We need to bet more on the flop there, ppl drawing heavy will call

And turn is a shove but our flop raise is where we hoping to make the money, and the turn we happy to end the hand, but if someone calls drawing heavy then we will make more money most times than not.. so it's +ev.


Don't play scared poker, and perhaps your playing out of your depth if your raising so weak on flop... These guys probably still call you hoping you got a hand like AK.
 
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I don't disagree with shoving turn, but I'd like people who advocate it to explain why. What if effective stacks had been $300? $500? $700? What if it was only two people to the turn? Does that matter? What's the desired result?
 
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The flop bet was a mistake no doubt, and the shove on the turn is really the only move because with a set of aces and being able to beat so many hands that he may have I'd be calling off the rest of my stack on the river. I'd say shove because there really is no fold equity if I call and he shoves me... only chance would be call-check... am I wrong here?
 
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Why was the flop bet a mistake? You mean that the size was a mistake or the entire action?
 
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The size of the bet was, should have came in larger.
 
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The ? I have Bruce was the light bet in hopes of getting reraised trying 2 look weak?
 
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Turn bet is a shove because we are defending the hand, we have the best hand and don't want anyone else to catchup, so we want them to pay for it :) Some loose players will call us, and overpairs will call us too so it's a value shove. and perhaps someone else has made a set.

We will get ppl drawing to fold.. And people we crush to call.. It's always +ev
 
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Ur almost never folding her because only 1 hand beats you and it revolves around open ended draw... At some point though you have to consider that the bb could easily be calling with 25suited anticipating that the limpers will call ur raise giving him healthy pot odds to play 25
 
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I don't disagree with the bb's play, on the flop bet, I was hoping the $20 would look weak and get a reraise, then either shove or raise even bigger dependent on the raise... I think he still calls a heavy bet on flop with diamonds and being opened ended. I came to the conclusion there was no way to avoid the result, and 2d5d came through my mind on the flop as a sick hand to be against... Didn't really expect it tho.
 
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If he is any good at all he is calling that flop bet simply hoping if he hits his turn card he is getting ur whole stack... Idk how you say that in EV terms, but it's just like a sports parlay lol
 
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Yea, lots of implied odds if he hits, so the value he is getting is great, I like the sports parlay lol, those are fun!!
 
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