$200 NLHE Full Ring: 1/2 NL Live full Ring. Straight draw on flop

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Full ring game, Hero on the button with 6s7s 3 limpers to me, I make it 9 on the button, 2 callers. One from a fishy player who is very easy to read, 1 strong player with a big stack in front of him.

Flop comes Kd 8c 9h

Bad player checks, strong player bets to 30. I start to think, and the bad player is already reaching for chips. I'm 100% certain if bad player calls he's got a King, and I'm also certain if I hit my straight I can gain a lot of his money. I call.

Turn 5s

Bad player checks....and good player bets 85.

Hero???

I have turned the nuts here, so, what is my best play. I'll say what happened here after a bit.
 
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Don't play live, but would be surprised if a good player donk bets there. Call the turn and GII on the river. If someone's betting into you like that, there's no reason to get aggressive and raise suspicions. If you have a 100bb stack it would be easy enough to get in on the river without needing to inflate the pot on the turn.
 
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Missing some positional information and stack sizes. Is the good player the BB, or was there a limp call here? It's helpful in assigning his range as he could flat with AA or KK in the BB, but I doubt he limp calls you in middle position. Stack sizes also influence betting, so is needed.

With the information we have, I am raising this turn for value. The good player is likely on a set or TJ (trying to capitalize on fold equity). I doubt he has you on 67 yet, and calling screams strength as much as raising does. The bad player may get off a naked King, but will always call with sets and 2 pair. Don't give them a free/cheap card to draw out on you. On the river, a brick will usually come and stop your action. If the board pairs, or Q hits, are you going to fold to the good players bet?
 
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The bad player was UTG+1 and the strong player was UTG+2
 
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I def like a raise here...big enough to make drawing (to anything) pricey for bad player and cheap enough to keep good villain in. For good player to donk bet and lead again on the turn, he's almost always got two pair (outside chance at set if he's taking an aggressive line).

A call risks allowing others to catch up at the right price with hands that are likely being held by at least one of the villains (K9s, K8s, set, J10). It's not a terrible play, but I think you maximize your equity raising here instead.
 
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The raise to 9 was just to sweeten the pot or did you want to make your drawing hand more expensive later and potentially open yourself up to a limp-reraise? Make a real raise or just limp too IMO.

Good player will probably fold to a turn raise here a lot - why not just call and let the bad player in too.

I'd be more helpful if I knew stack sizes, if you think the good player has a hand, like a set, that they will go with on the turn, you should get it in now.

Good luck to you! :D
 
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call, assuming stacks are 100bb
 
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So the stacks were about even for me and good player. We both had the bad player covered.

I raised pre-flop, because the game was pretty loose, and, I wanted to be in a big pot with the bad player who was transparent and playing with his hand face up. He was paying off obvious straights and flushes with top pair, nearly every time. I also, try and mix it up a bit, and raise in position with a bit wider range, to ensure that my bigger hands are paid off more when I raise with AA or KK.

What played out was, I min-raised the 80$ bet, and the bad player called with 30$ behind, and the good player tanked and called. The river was a blank, and the good player checked, I bet 100, and the bad player called, and the good player thought and folded face up, a set of 8s. The bad player shows K3.
 
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What i would do

You can either play it two ways. Since there is no flush draw out there as you stated it was rainbow, you can either min raise like you did or call hoping that the board doesnt pair and let the good player value bet the river before you raise. I was pretty sure that good player had trips there with either trip 8's or 9's as he would probably would have reraised you preflop after you raised if he had trip kings, and also knowing that bad player definitely had a king, he most likely didnt have trip kings.By just calling on the turn you are showing weakness instead of strength, so at that point good player would probably put you on two pair like k9, a draw like j10 or AK. When the river is a blank, more than likely good player would value bet, and when you raise on the river it isnt as strong as a min raise on the turn and he probably calls you off.
Also by just calling you are letting yourself off the hook cheap if the board pairs as you probably knew he had trips at that point too.
 
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Full ring game, Hero on the button with 6s7s 3 limpers to me, I make it 9 on the button, 2 callers. One from a fishy player who is very easy to read, 1 strong player with a big stack in front of him.

Flop comes Kd 8c 9h

Bad player checks, strong player bets to 30. I start to think, and the bad player is already reaching for chips. I'm 100% certain if bad player calls he's got a King, and I'm also certain if I hit my straight I can gain a lot of his money. I call.

Turn 5s

Bad player checks....and good player bets 85.

Hero???

I have turned the nuts here, so, what is my best play. I'll say what happened here after a bit.



Raise bigger pre. Make it $15.


You never noted your stack size, or anyone else's.


More information is needed.




If stacks are 100BB to 150BB, raise flop, if they are deeper call. I would probably call the turn as played, but I would have raised the flop most likely.


We really need to know exact stack sizes here dude.
 
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