$200 NLHE 6-max: Set in 4bet pot

$200 NL HE 6-max: Set in 4bet pot

Nice problem to have I guess, but I just don't think this guy has anything. Only a few hundred hands, but he 3bets ~%11, a little more IP, and hasn't folded to a 4bet yet. Fold to flop cbet is %40 and he raises cbets %9 if that can be applied to a 4bet pot at all.

poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $174.15 (87.1 bb)
Hero (UTG): $259.10 (129.6 bb)
MP: $256.25 (128.1 bb)
CO: $250.55 (125.3 bb)
BTN: $238.40 (119.2 bb)
SB: $204 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with Q:diamond: Q:club:
Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, BTN raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $52, BTN calls $36

Flop: ($107) Q:heart: 2:spade: A:club: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($107) 8:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4

I just don't think he has anything...thoughts on how to get value? "Just bet the flop you idiot"?

lol i think you just have to raise turn here as played and jam any river. I probably just bet flop b/c hes not going to stack/put anymore in without an A anyways and hes never folding an Ace after he calls the 4bet. If you check flop I probably just lead turn for half pot or a little less and hopefully he jam bluffs or something.

Yeah I like the flop check just because most of the hands he'll call you with are stacking regardless. May as well look weak like a KK-type hand or worse that he can bluff you off. Then when he checks back flop just bet turn. Your range looks extremely wide/weak when you take this line and he may even shove with a hand like TT.

bw07507 said:

lol i think you just have to raise turn here as played and jam any river. I probably just bet flop b/c hes not going to stack/put anymore in without an A anyways and hes never folding an Ace after he calls the 4bet. If you check flop I probably just lead turn for half pot or a little less and hopefully he jam bluffs or something.

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after rereading the OP I realize I didn't clarify enough: villain is a big aggro fish. ie, I expect him to bluff at least some of the time when checked to.

I was gonna say I hate that he bet $4 instead of a normal number, but his bet is so ****ing weak that I guess it looks like I'm ch-r as a bluff sometimes...

lol $4...

As the preflop agressor, doesn't the check to him on the flop smell of a made hand begging for a ch-r. I think we should bet this flop hoping (praying, pleading for a raise that we can call/shove over). Just mho, but wtf do I know?

No, you have a good point Jim. Against a good (and aggressive) player I might bet this more with just that thinking: if I was 4bet bluffing, I'd bluff this flop often, and I can expect him to float or jam with a decent range. Against this guy though, he doesn't think on that level and may just be scared off with 77 or whatever. It's pretty hard for someone to muster up the balls to bluff raise over my cbet here.

Checking doesn't always signify a strong hand looking for a ch-r though. Against the right opponents I'll check kings, Qx, weaker aces, JJ and worse sometimes etc for 'pot control' (not a real thing in a 4bet pot lol).

If checking is correct here though, it's because he's going to bet his worse hands more often after my check than he would jam over my cbet.

I agree with zack, we dont need 3 streets of betting to get it in here and I dont expect many bluff raises in an A high 4bet pot so I like the check since we are stacking any A anyway id think.

I probably bet the turn like half pot though since he might try to get you off a smaller PP or might call/shove for value with his high PP. He folds to 40% of cbets, id imagine that number is even smaller on a turn bet after c/c(in comparison to flop cbets, not saying its under 40 since its a 4bet pot).

As played I just raise this to like 50 and hopefully he thinks you are going for a cheap steal then shove any river as I dont expect a bet very often if you check back the river.

Click it back! Perfect spot if you ask me . He could spaz shove if he has air and if he has a real hand he will probably raise anyway.

an aggro fish betting this small? He's got AA 99.9% of the time, imo. Fold !

BelgoSuisse said:

an aggro fish betting this small? He's got AA 99.9% of the time, imo. Fold !

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Obv. can't fold. It's 88 50% of the time.

SeanyJ said:

Click it back! Perfect spot if you ask me . He could spaz shove if he has air and if he has a real hand he will probably raise anyway.

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i actually like this vs a fish. I've gotten into minraise wars when he reminraised and i shiped in a spot like this. Might even get him to call with a medium PP if he's really fishy.