$200 NLHE 6-max: Flop top two get raised otf by loose passive player!

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Villain is a 32/12/2.1 300ish hands
I'm just curious if you guys always think this is qj here, it probably is, and over 300 hands on this guy I have never seen him get out of line, of course, it may be possible for him to do this with other 2 pair holdings, but after the turn his hand was probably face up. The turn was weird, I'm hardly ever raising here, but my hand felt like it was good value wise here after his very funky turn bet. What do you guys think the correct river play is check fold, or call thinking he can show up with worse?
 
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I had a look at the HH.

The turn was wierd. He makes a tiny bet, and you raised him pretty big. It really puts us in a wierd spot. I don't like the raise, but it does give us some good info. When he 3b us OTT, this is where we should be finding a fold. Based on your reads, and my very limited understanding of his stats, we should be folding. That turn bet seems like one he wanted you to raise.

Fold turn, as played to 3b from V. Smells like QJ, or a set perhaps.

Edit: We know this dude is probably never raising us as a bluff. But how much of his raising range are we beating? Only inferior 2p hands.

Another edit: This board smacks an AK range. V has to be aware of that. I don't even know if I can see this dude going crazy with inferior 2p hands. I really think we are beat here, and 3b from V on turn is our chance to cut losses/get away.
 
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I'm discounting a set unless it's pocket 10s of course, I'm not sure I'm good enough to fold turn, but can easily fold river. I will hardly ever raise this turn and his bet was just to funky for me not to, I don't think I reraise any hand worse than ak on this board on the turn even vs his min bet.
 
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I'm discounting a set unless it's pocket 10s of course, I'm not sure I'm good enough to fold turn, but can easily fold river. I will hardly ever raise this turn and his bet was just to funky for me not to, I don't think I reraise any hand worse than ak on this board on the turn even vs his min bet.


I hear you. It's a tough fold to make. But from a pure standpoint of logic and reasoning, I don't think top two is good here OTT. I always just think the hand through, take my time, and act accordingly based on player tendencies.
 
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