$200 NLHE 6-max: AK top pair vs laggro on bad turn

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$200 NL HE 6-max: AK top pair vs laggro on bad turn

Villain is a 'red' marked player in hem. He's 24/19/4, 3bets TONS on the button, but also loves to flat and raise lots of flops, float lots and just generally make your life a living hell.

He sees me as a similar lag/tag, less crazy aggro though.

Turn card sucks balls; what's our play and our plan for various river cards?

poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $217.75 (108.9 bb)
UTG: $516.15 (258.1 bb)
Hero (MP): $425.70 (212.9 bb)
CO: $275.55 (137.8 bb)
BTN: $203 (101.5 bb)
SB: $201 (100.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with K A
UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, CO folds, BTN calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17) 2 A T (2 players)
Hero bets $12, BTN calls $12

Turn: ($41) J (2 players)
Hero ...
 
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I think you can't just check now, you have to make a continuation bet and see how the villain reacts to try to read some better hand than yours.
 
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I assume you mean that it sucks balls because it fills up his JT and KQ type hands. Or does he flat AJ pre instead of 3-betting it?

If you can find a line that is +EV here, I think you should take it. By that I mean that since you don't particularly know what line is the MOST profitable, you should play it safe, if that makes sense. What range do you think he has on the turn? Which hands would he bet when you check to him? It's quite possible that check/shoving is +EV here. I have a tendency to c/c down in these spots but I just feel like I get taken to value town since it's so "obvious" that I have an ace and it's not a great board for him to bluff two streets on. Perhaps for that reason, check/calling the turn and check/folding the river (barring a queen, obv) could also be OK. But then again, he might bet AQ for value on a deuce river.

Another potential line is potting it (or even overbetting the pot a little) on the turn. That effectively forces him to shove if he wants to bluff you off it, and that requires him to be very spewy AND assume that you can fold the kind of hand that you have.

I guess what I'm saying is that I hate these spots.
 
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Well if he is 3betting tons from the button this isnt that terrible of a card. I would think he is 3betting AJ and KQ, maybe our definitions of tons is different though. KQ is a good hand to 3bet though. I dont really like betting though because we are showing more strength then we have and I do not think we are getting any better to fold, and although he has a lot of draws, can we call a shove? Plus, if he loves to float we should let him as we are still way ahead of his range given what you have said. You werent very specific though on what he 3bets vs flats (ie whats he doing with suited connectors/gapper type hands).

J does suck in the sense that JT got there and a lot of his range just picked up some outs so I dont really like a c/c too much. How thinly does he bet for value in general? Will he bet KJ type hands here for value or does he only bet his air and draws? Im not sure how much that matters I guess except if he checks back we put him on that kind of hand and act accordingly.

I think I like a c/r here since I think he is betting with his draws which there are a ton of, and a decent amount of his air/turned underpair into bluff since he floats a lot (and obviously 2pair+ hands). Bet sizing kind of sucks though I guess since a push is over pot sized but we are commited anyway so I think I crai.

We beat a lot of floating/draws/made hands range here and I think he is firing this a large portion of the time. We do have some equity against all but KQ as well so thats a bonus. c/c has to many shity river spots that he can take us off our hand and leading here I dont like since he is not only playing back with made hands and draws(which again there are a lot) and folding his air.

I may be making some poor assumptions on villian here but based on what i know I think crai is the best play.
 
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