$200 NLHE 6-max: AA facing river donk bet when 4cards straight hits

$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $385.06 (192.5 bb)
BB: $200 (100 bb)
UTG: $176.66 (88.3 bb)
MP: $327.66 (163.8 bb)
Hero (CO): $633.35 (316.7 bb)
BTN: $251.95 (126 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ac As
2 folds, Hero raises to $5, BTN folds, SB raises to $19, BB folds, Hero raises to $46, SB calls $27

Flop: ($94) 2d 8d Ts (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $47, SB calls $47

Turn: ($188) 6h (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $94, SB calls $94

River: ($376) 9h (2 players)
SB bets $198.06 and is all-in,Hero?


Villain was playing something like 23/20 with a 3bet of a bit over 10%, if I recall correctly.

My image was quite aggressive, was playing vey loose and 3betting a lot. A few hands before this hand I was 3bet by villain and flated and he barreled twice and c/fold on QJs 9o 8o in a large pot. Other than that I had not been involved in any big pots against this villain.

I don't think there is much to say about the preflop-turn play, other than I could have made a slightly larger 4bet given stack sizes.

But otr? I think we can almost always discount all sets from his range, and there should probably be very few as 7x as well (maybe a few combos of 97s, 87s, 76s, A7s?) but at the same time what would he expect me to fold here? And what bluffs could he even have here when we get to the river this way? A busted FD?

Would love to hear your thoughts on this hand!

My guess: TT/99, QJs, T9, A9/A6dd turned into a bluff, JT turned into the same, and AA looking for thin value out of QQ/KK. Given that range we can call relatively comfortably.

Also, ESS here were super deep. Do not discount spec hands just because the pot is 4bet.

I'm not folding, this is going to be more bluffs then value hands. Why did you bet so small on the flop and the turn, you could of had most the money in if you bet 2/3 pot on each street and you could call with relative ease, and if you did get sucked out on the river, at least you had most of it in before that.

I struggle to give him much of a value range here. Call.

I'm calling I can see many a villain doing this with a busted flush draw with little regard to their range not having many 7s in it.
Also those odds are very favourable.

jsh169 said:

Why did you bet so small on the flop and the turn, you could of had most the money in if you bet 2/3 pot on each street and you could call with relative ease, and if you did get sucked out on the river, at least you had most of it in before that.

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I may bet flop smaller here. Cheaper bluffs, easy commitment, more floats.

I wouldn't base my sizing on having an easier decision when being donked in to on a certain run out unless I posessed foresight (or hindsight).

There may be boards where calling a 1/4 pot donk bet would be a tough decision and we'd be telling OP he should have bet smaller so he'd have an easy fold on his hands.

ScottishMatt said:

I struggle to give him much of a value range here. Call.

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I just think he could of got more value out of his hand by betting larger. Hindsight is always 20 20, I wasn't basing just bet more because of the run out, but because I think there is more then enough hands he can get value out of. That being said I think I need to do something about my sizing in 3 bet pots, you bet to big it is to easy to get committed.

Why is it when players are monster they tend to bet weak, but when they aren't monster and have a vulnerable hand they tend to bet strong.

If OP had JJ, guarantee the flop bet would probably have been a pot sized bet and OP would have shoved turn right?

But since OP has AA he feels he has to be trappy trappy with weak bets.

Just pot the flop and shove turn. JJ/QQ is never folding and we don't want to give odds for retarded FDs and we want to punish V for calling our preflop 3-bet with T9 or JT type hands hoping to flop/turn gin or "putting us on AK" and calling us down as long as no Ace or King is on the flop.

If V luckboxed a flopped set then so be it.

Just pot it each street. Hell, I would prefer you just did a gross overbet flop shove rather than bet 1/2 pot on flop and turn

just for fun, next time you flop monster experiment with betting pot or even overbetting. I think you will be surprised by the results.

I wouldn't fold here unless I had a great read on villain. If what you say is correct that your table image is pretty aggro and 3bet happy then a typical reg at 1/2 online is likely adjusting to that, and as such, probably doesn't give your 3 or 4bet from the CO too much respect. I would venture to say that if villain gave you credit for the hand you were repping then he likely would've raised the flop or turn(or any point in the hand where he could beat a pair of aces), simply because it is much harder for him to get paid off when the board gets scarier (4 cards to a straight). And given that he called a 4bet oop, I don't think there are too many hands you should be worried about here, as most of a typical range to flat a 4bet oop is comprised of larger pocket pairs that you have beat. However, if villain shows up here with something like QJ, then it is pretty easy to exploit him, just bet way larger and rake in the free money when he calls down and misses his hands, you could even bluff a wider range against him if you knew he was capable of check/calling down like that, because his hand strength will be weaker in pots like this. This looks much more like a line I would use to try and bluff some bad aggressive players. (I'm putting myself in villain's shoes). The check/call is letting a bad aggro player put in chips and try to get me to fold and then the lead on the river is how the pot is won if both players miss....and again i would only ever try this against a very bad aggro player that ALWAYS bets when checked too. Call.

Fold if you have the Ad, since we don't probably a call.