$200 NLHE 6-max: 99 in 3bet pot

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$200 NL HE 6-max: 99 in 3bet pot

Villain is donkeydinamite, a 25/19 reg. Steals %40 on the button, though I'm not sure how his range changes when he minraises. Most likely more weighted towards steals and hands that want to see flops. He only folds %54 to 3bet, 4bets 2.7, and raises cbets %19 in 3bet pots.

SB is a 31/5 fish.

Any alternative lines here? At first I said to myself I was just going to bet the flop and get it in if he raised since he raises so often in this spot, but if I shove, all I get called by is better hands or hands I'm flipping against.

Check-calling feels weak and very exploitable, and it gets me in tough spots on later streets. Check-raising just turns my hand into a bluff. Not sure here...

cbet bigger to make him play more straight-forward maybe?

poker stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

Hero (BB): $406 (101.5 bb)
MP: $308 (77 bb)
CO: $400 (100 bb)
BTN: $544.25 (136.1 bb)
SB: $356.50 (89.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 9 9
2 folds, BTN raises to $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $42, BTN calls $34, SB folds

Flop: ($92) 7 3 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $52, BTN raises to $128, Hero raises to $364 and is all-in
 
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Tough spot. With your history, would he have 4 bet TT+ pf? Otherwise your worry is two overs with a flushdraw.

I guess by 3 betting pf you got him to define his hand a bit more, so getting it in here shouldn't be bad.
 
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Well normally with his really high 2.7 4bet range he'd definitely be reraising all his premiums, but I have a feeling he'd be calling a significant % of the time given the huge fish is still in the hand.
 
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this is a tough one. i dunno how qualified i am to comment since i've been out of the 6max loop for a while, and this relies heavily on that dynamic

i feel like bet/folding the flop with 9s is exploitable because not quite enough of your squeezing range connects/has an overpair/has a big draw on that flop. i'm thinking it's not that bad of a flop for him to raise small with complete air, even though it's kind of drawy, because it's so hard for you to play back or do anything without at least a draw. and it's actually sorta hard to flop flush draws

problem is how you're leveraged against his small raise. calling seems to suck as it gives him such a solid indication of where you're at, while you have very little idea where he's at, and your hand is pretty vulnerable. shoving, as you alluded to, gets you in a spot where he's only calling with a range that has pretty damn good equity against you

do you think he flats 55 or 66 IP pre? especially given SB is a fish and could come along? are weak suited As out of his range?
 
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Well he's both getting a slightly better immediate price to call pf (vs a HU pot), plus he has a chance at the SB calling behind him, so I don't think small pairs or suited Ax hands are completely out of his range. I feel like sets (or 56s if he ever has that) will definitely raise small like this to induce, but generall the Ax for the nut FD will just jam.

But ya, re: preflop play, there are definitely more implied odds type hands than vs a normal HU situation, but probably not a ton.

This is nearly a textbook spot for him to make the small bluffraise though, assuming he thinks I'm cbetting too much here. No history btw to support that.
 
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You're the king of getting in to ridiculously horrible spots OOP, obv.

I think I do like c-betting bigger here, something like $78 or so, so his only real play is to shove.
 
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I think I do like c-betting bigger here, something like $78 or so, so his only real play is to shove.

yeah, i'm curious what you think about that, chuck. it just seems that we let him put us in such an awkward spot with this bet size. granted, it's far from a guarantee that he's going to take advantage of it. but i feel like in order to make it the best route, we have to be inducing quite often from air (basically his big overcard AQ-ish stuff since i don't see much other air in his range) compared to how often he raises real hands. we're pretty much forced to shove the $364 on his $128; the times we induced air, he gets off the hook for the rest, and the times the money all goes in we don't like it much

the fact that he probably just jams a lot of his draws seems worse for your cause, since that means when the money does get in this way your equity might be even worse than you'd expect

bet/folding as played seems really wrong, but the fact that i almost want to seems an indicator that either i suck or i just don't think the bet size used is the best way to go. maybe a combination of the two :eek:
 
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Yeah honestly during the hand my intention was to bet small to a) actually induce from him (although I got confused when he did raise), and b) to balance my range with bluffs. Though I don't think this is the board to balance on since he'll be making so many more moves than on a KJ2 board for example.

I do like betting bigger since it kind of forces him to have at least a strong-ish draw or better to continue. He has to play more face-up.
 
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wow, this spot sucks. I mean I think once you cbet flop you have to get it in, otherwise you may as well have air.

Other option: how do you feel about a C/R? You basically get similar leverage on him, although I'm not sure how often he bluffs this and whether we can stack if he shoves over our C/R. If he really is a reg he may end up spazzing out and shoving overs on us if we do this. I do expect him to bet close to 100% on this board if we check. To balance I similarly enjoy check-raising sets/AA here along with a few bluffs along with all combo draws as well.
 
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Well if we check-raise it induces a bluff which is great, but when we raise, his playback range is going to crush 99. Sometimes he will spazz with overs, but you don't see that all that often. So if we're check-raising and calling a shove, we do so with bad equity. If we check-raise as a bluff, well then we might as well have air.

Also you say I get leverage on him, but why do I want that with 99? If I have the worst hand I don't think he's ever folding better, and if I have the best hand I don't want leverage to make him fold...

The only reason I can find to ch-r is if he a) bets his underpairs to our 9s and b) stacks once we ch-r. I don't think that's too likely since most of the time he'll check back for pot contro, but it's definitely the reason to ch-r (along with inducing from overs possibly). I think if he's the type to bet his pairs (which imo is marginal), he might be the type to stack them.

I'm still thinking the easiest, albeit probably not the highest EV, is just cbetting bigger to force him to play his hand more straight-forward, and we can fold to a jam.

Even that's pretty exploitable since I myself will often jam overs here.

ffs, heh
 
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Well obviously C/R only works if he spazzes out with overs to your smallish C/R. But also remember that the logic of "we may as well have air" only applies when calling is a better alternative. I don't particularly like the C/R then fold line but at this point we all agree we practically never have showdown value against a hand that shows down with us so honestly we may as well have air here, unless we can get him to spazz out and get his stack in with overcards.
 
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