$200 NLHE 6-max: 2 pair facing river ch-r

$200 NL HE 6-max: 2 pair facing river ch-r

Villain is a nitty 19/15 regular who is pretty straight-forward. Generally smaller two pairs like A6 here play like trash vs river check-raises, but he's repping like nothing. Like KQc and that's it. That said, he also never bluff CRAIs this river. River CR is %5 btw, large sample.

Is he shoving worse for value?
Can we call?

poker stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP: $193.75 (96.9 bb)
Hero (CO): $372.30 (186.2 bb)
BTN: $34.75 (17.4 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $221.70 (110.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with 6♠ A♠
MP folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13) A♣ 6♦ K♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8

Turn: ($29) 7♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB calls $22

River: ($73) 3♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $58, BB raises to $185.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $127.70

Villain is basically repping nothing here, but with the way he plays I think you just have to fold here. Set almost always raises flop or turn, but I've noticed that almost no one ch/r bluffs the river, especially nits and I just don't see him ever value raising a hand that you beat here. I reluctantly fold. I've payed off way too many river ch/r in my day. I basically get shown the nuts every time.

Yeah..he's not repping much other KQc or maybe JQc even though that's gotta be less likely...

A3 possibly?

he's not going to call flop and turn with 33 or 45 right?

Slow played set? (that would be really weird to wait till a scare card comes on the river to push a set... so surely that's not it.)


I dunno..6max isn't my game so i'm just stabbing here.. I would have a hard time folding but at the same time... villains like that just don't bluff shove the river.. only hand that makes any ounce of sense he might value shove you beat is A3... I guess I reluctantly fold this..

only hand that makes any ounce of sense he might value shove you beat is A3... I guess I reluctantly fold this..

Click to expand...

19/15s dont flat A3 from the blinds to a steal and especially not 45. The more I think about it there is literally no hand in his range that makes any sense here except for a super slow played set and KQc. I might have to call this one. Its super close.

well A3s is possible. Not too probable though - he doesn't call often pf, doesn't call the double barrel often, and doesn't always check-raise the river since (if he's thinking, he'll realize) I don't call with worse like ever.

Basically it looks like a slowplayed monster (which is unlikely given board texture and the fact that he'd have to have the one combo of 66, or have slowplayed AK/AA/KK pf), or he backdoored with KQc or maybe even QJc/JTc, right?

I don't think it can be anything else for value, and I guess it could be a busted draw that's running an insane bluff, but that's just as improbable as anything else. Just doesn't make sense.

Is there any recent history or anything that might cause him to spazz out vs. you?

This line makes like absolutely no sense whatsoever. KcQc maybe, but other than that I can't think of anything that takes this line. I dunno, I'm totally lost but I'm leaning towards calling since I can't put him anything that makes any sense at all.

im with chuck here...the one and only monster that makes sense is 66, but why shove that river card when only thing calls u beats you?? either the monster 66, u got turned by A7, or INSANE IN THE MEMBRANE bluff/backdoor

someone had mentioned 45, and not calling the preflop bet, but sc like 4d5d could take this line especially granted the turn, and once again runner runner???

my TB would leak down for sure, and curiosity would be my enemy.....

didn't even think of 45d, that makes some sense too. PF is dubious, but not completely out of the window.

No real history dsvw, though in the session when the hand was played, I played laggier than usual. Nothing to make him go nuts though.

yeah, talked this over with Stosh and he basically set me straight: we have a nit check-raising us on a river where it looks like we have a big hand. He just plain has a monster here the majority of the time, and A6 doesn't fare well against monster hands on this board.

I mean he just simply doesn't do this with worse hands. MAYBE A3, but that's one hand, and it's unlikely. AA,KK,AK,66,45d,A7, a backdoor flush are all possible, and although they aren't likely, they're way more likely than A3.

ChuckTs said:

yeah, talked this over with Stosh and he basically set me straight: we have a nit check-raising us on a river where it looks like we have a big hand. He just plain has a monster here the majority of the time, and A6 doesn't fare well against monster hands on this board.

I mean he just simply doesn't do this with worse hands. MAYBE A3, but that's one hand, and it's unlikely. AA,KK,AK,66,45d,A7, a backdoor flush are all possible, and although they aren't likely, they're way more likely than A3.

Click to expand...

Yeah... I was thinking about this some more after posting and pretty much this...

And.. just to be clear I never really thought A3 was likely but it could conceivably be played that way by that type was all

I guess you're aggro enough for a reg to take a passive line against you with some monsters? I'd pretty much expect him to show up with AK here. But whatever, extremely rarely with something that you beat.

i find a fold here. do you think he would try to make you fold TP if he missed his flush draw?
his range is very polarized here but i would give him credit for a big hand.

he had JTc btw

ChuckTs said:

yeah, talked this over with Stosh and he basically set me straight: we have a nit check-raising us on a river where it looks like we have a big hand. He just plain has a monster here the majority of the time, and A6 doesn't fare well against monster hands on this board.

Click to expand...

Quoting, in hopes that it'll help me remember this.

so he has J10c and after the flop he has a gut shot, so he decides to see 1 more card and now he has the gut shot and a flush draw, plus he just tripled the amout of outs he has, seen it too many times,you get called no matter how much you bet cuz the guy thinks his odds keep getting better to catch his card.

now he could of had AK and flopped 2pr or maybe A7 and after the turn had 2pr, at this point hero would be throwing money at the BB. but the river card decided the hand and if i were hero....take the loss and fold after the all-in reraise.

reguardless the BB hits his card on the river game over......but if he plays like that all the time you should be able to get your money back providing he doesn't hit and run.

i sometimes have trouble folding when the flop gives me both open ended str8 & flush draws cuz of all the outs and 2 cards to come.

I guess there's the value in drawing to one thing and backdooring something else. It's so f...ing hard to give someone credit for the backdoor draw coming in.

I think I would have called the same way you did. And been pretty disgusted at myself and the deck.