$20 PLO 6-max: Turn Donkbet decision

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 38/20/33

iPoker - $0.20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $20.30
UTG: $28.19
Hero (CO): $40.43
BTN: $22.48
SB: $17.11

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: ($0.30) Hero has T:spade: K:spade: 5:heart: A:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.70, fold, SB calls $0.60, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.10, 3 players) A:diamond: 6:heart: Q:diamond:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.57, SB calls $1.57, fold

Turn: ($5.24, 2 players) K:heart:
SB bets $5.24, Hero ??

Villain was a shortstacker who hit and run a few other tables I was on, seen him make a few iffy call downs but seemed a lot more passive than agressive.
 
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I call and reassess on the river, he really only has JTxx and air. More JT than anything, I do not think he does this with like 2 pair type hands etc. We have a straight draw (assuming he has JT, 3 outs), we have our flush draw and we have the outs to a boat, we have good enough equity that a call is justified.
 
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Are we still flatting/reassessing river if we don't have the fd?
 
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Villain probably has JTxx here, if that's the only part of his range we have ~32% equity, so it's close between calling and folding, probably a call.
 
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Probably not, if he is actually passive his range comes closer to nuts and we would only have 6 outs with not a great deal extra to win on the river. That is in theory though, most times you end up calling just because :D
 
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With the FD, we can never fold this.
 
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Well if we can't fold this and we don't have the odds to call then we have to jam turn as a semi bluff.

It's not a semibluff if villain never folds...
 
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We have a 3:1 draw to an outright win, and some more outs to a chop. Villain has $9.60 left in his stack. If we can win $5.24 of that when we hit, we'll have the 3:1 we need. If we win his whole stack, we're profitable. Not to mention there is some small non-zero chance we have the best hand.
 
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It'll be really sexy if we shove rivers that bring a third diamond or any card that pairs the board.
 
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With the FD, we can never fold this.

no one folds this turn

We have a 3:1 draw to an outright win, and some more outs to a chop. Villain has $9.60 left in his stack. If we can win $5.24 of that when we hit, we'll have the 3:1 we need. If we win his whole stack, we're profitable. Not to mention there is some small non-zero chance we have the best hand.

Concurrence here. Ain't it wonderful when evy1 agrees? :D
 
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It's not a semibluff if villain never folds...


i dont know what this means, we can never know this? there is a good chance he has us beat right now and a chance he doesn't. But if C9 is right and we have 3.1 of making a better hand then 3 times we're going to miss, and it would be good to get stacks in on the turn and if called we avoid river folds when we hit.

but 1st place for pointing out the obvious.
 
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Shoving the turn is horrible.

When villains at this level represent the nuts, they usually have it. This is an appropriate, pot-sized bet from someone who is not a creative or deep thinking PLO player who turns the nuts on a sopping wet board.

Even if we grant that he has some air in his range, you're talking about, at best, 90% he has the nuts and 10% he has air? Getting people to try to fold the nuts is not good when we are only going to outdraw him 1/3 of the time. Getting people to fold the parts of their range that we have crushed is also not good.

We are drawing to a flush or full house to beat him, let's try to get him to fold better or call with worse when 30 river cards put a possible full house or flush out there.
 
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