$20 NLHE Full Ring: $ : Why can't I fold overpairs?

This is by far my biggest leak. I somehow convince myself that the villain has a counterfeited 2 pair, or even a bare AQ. Ugh I called here knowing I was beat. How do you make yourself disciplined enough to fold these sort of hands?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($8.85)
UTG ($10)
Hero (UTG+1) ($20.99)
MP1 ($11.82)
MP2 ($13.82)
MP3 ($4.05)
CO ($17.30)
Button ($16.63)
SB ($8.79)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K , K
1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, CO calls $0.40, Button calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 10 , 7 , 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.10, CO calls $1.10, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.55) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

River: ($7.55) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $13.80 (All-In), Hero calls $10.80

Total pot: $35.15 | Rake: $2

really u cant, it was pretty much rainbow and kings looked good just a rough beat

Aldito said:

How do you make yourself disciplined enough to fold these sort of hands?

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Don't tilt, don't play on auto-pilot, take emotion out of your thought process, and try to make the best decision at every point.

The only thing I think you could consider doing differently (besides folding the river) is checking the turn. But that might just be results oriented thinking. I probably bet/fold(?), bet/fold, bet/fold this hand myself.

I don't see how you could ever bet/fold the flop here (without stats anyway). What about check/calling a river bet that is 1/2 - 3/4 pot?

lol @ everyone being so results oriented. Checking the river is absolutely mad, losing tons of value, b/f all the way.

Bet/call flop, bet/call turn, bet/fold river. or
bet/call flop, check/fold turn.

bet/folding the flop is way too nitty.

ComplexPlaya said:

lol @ everyone being so results oriented. Checking the river is absolutely mad, losing tons of value, b/f all the way.

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Is this not the place where we should be being results orientated? We are looking at single hands and analysing them to get the most possible value from the way we play them.

well def should be folding this river. when villain shoves its almost always the nuts and he wants to stack ya.

it's a fold as villain is never shoving worse than KK for value here, and I very much doubt he is good enough to bluff in this spot.

Pokerstudent said:

bet/folding the flop is way too nitty.

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I'd like some elaboration about why bet/folding the flop (and especially the turn) is too nitty. This isn't a good board for us, we're over 170bb's deep, and the SPR is 13. If our opponent has non-maniacal stats, you simply cannot feel good about stacking here. Can you think of a better situation to fold a flopped KK over-pair?

PattyR said:

well def should be folding this river. when villain shoves its almost always the nuts and he wants to stack ya.

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I know lol. It's a dreadful call, I just have a problem laying down those bad boys.

Play nice children. Flaming deleted, keep on thread please.

c9h13no3 said:

The only thing I think you could consider doing differently (besides folding the river) is checking the turn. But that might just be results oriented thinking. I probably bet/fold(?), bet/fold, bet/fold this hand myself.

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Personally I bet/fold all 3 streets

Id like to check the turn but if I do check is it c/c or c/f?

and then in I c/c how does the river play out? I'm committed to c/c again.. but I dont really know how big villian value bets worse for so I think b/f rather then c/c is the bettere way to play it.

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Analyzing hands is valuable if we look for the most +EV line to take, if we look at results and decide you lost so you played it wrong then it's just reinforcing leaks = detrimental.

In this case, not betting the river means losing tons of value at 10NL. The fact that villain most likely caught something this time doesn't mean anything.

c9h13no3 said:

I'd like some elaboration about why bet/folding the flop (and especially the turn) is too nitty. This isn't a good board for us, we're over 170bb's deep, and the SPR is 13. If our opponent has non-maniacal stats, you simply cannot feel good about stacking here. Can you think of a better situation to fold a flopped KK over-pair?

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Ok, c9h13no3, when I say that bet folding the flop is too nitty, I specifically am referring to the flop only. I see that the board is dry, which lends itself more to a set, but don't you think that an overpair is too strong to just fold the flop if you are raised? I see that the SPR is 13 and i know that is the ugliest of SPR's, that's why I wouldn't continue on the turn if he continues to bet. But, although you suggest if our villain has non-maniacal stats, this is not given in the initial information. In fact, we don't know ANY of the villian's stats, Given this lack of information, I would have to see more pressure on the turn before I would be convinced that they have a strong hand. I DEFINITELY agree with check/fold OR bet/fold on the turn or river. I do agree if you had a read that the villain knows what's going on.

Hope that explains my thought process. Please, pick the hell out of it.