$20 NLHE Full Ring: Turn brings 3flush, AxKh, do we draw ?

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$25 NL HE Full Ring: Turn brings 3flush, AxKh, do we draw ?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 29/18/1

Don't really know what to do on turn. Is this giving us good enough odds to draw with a 2nd nut flush ? If we hit the flush, do we stack ?

Hero (BB): $25 (100 bb)
UTG: $48.70 (194.8 bb)
UTG+1: $24.75 (99 bb)
MP1: $26.05 (104.2 bb)
MP2: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
MP3: $5 (20 bb)
CO: $26.30 (105.2 bb)
BTN: $20 (80 bb)
SB: $25 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with K:heart: A:spade:
5 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.40, CO calls $1.65

Flop: ($4.90) 9:spade: 9:heart: 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($4.90) 8:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $7, Hero ??
 
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pot odds are 3.7:1 ($14.90/$4). There are 9 hearts left in the deck for roughly a 4.5:1 draw. So you need to make $3.20 on the river when you hit for your call to be break even.

Its kind of a tricky spot, but I think we're good here often enough to call since sometimes a K will be good as well.

Btw, why no flop c-bet? This guy raises a wide range, and he's probably not folding any of it preflop. And mommy always told me to bluff players with weak ranges.
 
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That's a good question, maybe because he had low fold to flop cbet stats and I thought I would get called too often, but I'd have to check.

Maybe I put him on a PP, possibly a rather high one like QQ-TT since he called the 3bet.
 
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That's a good question, maybe because he had low fold to flop cbet stats and I thought I would get called too often, but I'd have to check.

Maybe I put him on a PP, possibly a rather high one like QQ-TT since he called the 3bet.

just c-bet, and you can bet the turn sometimes too
 
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After you've decided to not cbet the flop why do you bet the turn? You can't rep a flush or you'd likely have bet the flop as a semi-bluff and the turn certainly didn't hit your 3bet range.

Personally, after you check the flop, I think check/folding the turn is best on a paired board without the Ah.
 
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After you've decided to not cbet the flop why do you bet the turn? You can't rep a flush or you'd likely have bet the flop as a semi-bluff and the turn certainly didn't hit your 3bet range.

Personally, after you check the flop, I think check/folding the turn is best on a paired board without the Ah.

I don't know, it doesn't make much sense does it. From what I know of myself, betting with the intention of protecting my hand, charging worse flush draws and just trying to take it down there as I saw him not interested in the pot at the time.

So in general, paired flops good to cbet with AK/AQ/KQ type missed hands?

Then the 2nd part of the Q: If we call and hit heart on river, do we stack ?
Do we bet out, call a reraise, or shove to a reraise. Do we check/call ?
 
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If you call the turn and then hit a heart on the river I think you bet/fold.

It's a very rare 25nl villain that will raise you on the river with less than the Ah but he can certainly call with less.
 
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So in general, paired flops good to cbet with AK/AQ/KQ type missed hands?
It depends. In general, no, its not. Villains will often call 3-bets with pairs to setmine (incorrectly), or because they're not strong enough to 4-bet (88-QQ). So they actually think dry boards like this are good boards for them. I'd c-bet the flop with the intention of betting the turn as well if I c-bet this board against a loosish player. But if he was a total passive station (fold to flop c-bet of less than 20% or so, with low fold to turn c-bet % as well), I'd lean towards check/folding. But most players will fold small pairs 88 or less on this board to a second barrel (at least that's the impression I get playing 6-max 100NL).

However, this player's range is still a lot wider and probably includes crap like JTs/KJo/whatever, so I think if his fold to c-bet % is anywhere around 40% or more, I'd stab at it.
 
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OK. Slight problem I have on turn is that I have turn stats on very few players. I guess because I see many different players at 25nl. I almost never have any Turn cbet/fold to turn cbet stats on anyone..
 
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OK. Slight problem I have on turn is that I have turn stats on very few players. I guess because I see many different players at 25nl. I almost never have any Turn cbet/fold to turn cbet stats on anyone..

u can just barrel anyways i think
 
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Yeah. It's not like I go looking everytime to see if I have turn cbet/fold stats. If I think barreling is correct I just do it.
 
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