€20 NLHE Full Ring: Set on monotone board facing big action?

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MP: 125.4 BB (VPIP: 25.79, PFR: 14.36, 3Bet Preflop: 1.59, hands: 4,867)
MP+1: 224.4 BB (VPIP: 38.56, PFR: 23.71, 3Bet Preflop: 5.70, Hands: 1,141)
Hero (MP+2): 100 BB
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 134.65 BB (VPIP: 22.67, PFR: 11.66, 3Bet Preflop: 3.39, Hands: 11,322)
SB: 105.05 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 98.9 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 24)
UTG+1: 75.95 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:diamond: 6:heart:

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, CO raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 5 BB, UTG+1 calls 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 4 players) 6:club: A:club: 3:club:
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets 20 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 20 BB, Hero ??

The more I have played poker the more I have realized that nothing is really a big hand on a monotone board except...well a flush. In multi way pots someone almost always seems to have flopped a flush.

It seems the CO could have AA or AxKc. What about UTG+1? Has he flopped a flush? We can't just call the flop and fold without a 4 to a flush board am I right? Is this not a shove or fold decision?

So what would you do here?

Not too keen on how you played this from the start but as played i think its an easy fold here
and wait for a better spot
Theres just too much action going on and youre caught in the middle

Arfer said:

Not too keen on how you played this from the start but as played i think its an easy fold here
and wait for a better spot
Theres just too much action going on and youre caught in the middle

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What's wrong with how I played pre flop? I don't see much wrong in limping behind with small PP and I only called the big 2 bet because there were 2 callers.

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Personally i prefer raising pre from the hijack but each to their own
As far as calling the 2 bet/call your not really getting the right odds to be set mining and if you miss the flop and are facing a bet what are you gonna do

Arfer said:

Personally i prefer raising pre from the hijack but each to their own
As far as calling the 2 bet/call your not really getting the right odds to be set mining and if you miss the flop and are facing a bet what are you gonna do

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How am I not getting the right odds?
I am calling 5 BB into a pot of 20 BB, I just need one C bet and call to make it worthwhile with the potential of winning even more. I'll be the last one to act after the c bet so I have great position in the hand.

If I miss I fold.

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The right odds would be nearer to 7.5/1

Arfer said:

The right odds would be nearer to 7.5/1

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What? You expect to get those odds with just the pre flop action?

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Personally, I don’t like opening with a small pair either. You are very right that you will hardly EVER get 7.5 to 1 preflop. If you are waiting for 7.5 to 1 pot odds to play a small or middle pair, you will be waiting for quite a long time..lol. I probably would have played this hand exactly like you did preflop because you definitely had the implied odds to call the raise.
Now for your question…I have no idea what the CO is holding. (hope that helps). Seriously though, I wouldn’t think that he already has the flush because his cbet was about 80% of the pot. You would think that a made strong flush (J, Q, or K high) would want some action to get value out of his big hand. I would think his hand is something like AK or AQ with the club, or like you said, he could be holding AA. Since everyone checked in front of him, he may also choose to bet in this spot with QQ or KK with a club (knowing this is a scary flop for his opponents too). I would probably call here because even if one of your opponents already has a made flush, you still have a 35% chance to improve to a full house or better. You only need to be getting 2 to 1 pot odds to call here, but since UTG+1 called, you are getting a little over 3 to 1. That’s IF he already has the flush. If he is drawing to it, you are a pretty big favorite. The only hand you truly fear in this spot is AA which almost has you drawing dead. If your opponent is holding top set…..just bad luck. Overall, you are getting pretty good odds here and I would call the flop bet. Obviously you will have to re-evaluate the situation on the turn. Good Luck.

Thinker_145 said:

What? You expect to get those odds with just the pre flop action?

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I didn't say I would expect anything all I said was 4/1 wasn't the correct odds

Hey Buddy
A set is a pretty strong draw to a full house so with two players already in there and utg looking pretty fishy id certainly be looking to continue. The CO is fairly tight but he doesn't need much of a hand to raise a couple of limpers in position he could even be wider than the 12% PFR we have for him.
I think its simply a case of deciding whether or not a shove is profitable in the long run.
Lets say there is a 50% chance of a made flush
15% chance of someone with another set and a 35% chance of top pair with a strong flush draw.

I think there is a good chance of an ace or two being out there which takes away a few of our outs but without doing the maths my gut says shove. The CO bets like this with AQ AK with or without a spade and fishy utg could have all sorts. We are beating half the hands they could have and probably around 30-35% to make the full or quads if one of them has the flush....yeah im shoving.
There is a similar problem to this analysed in depth on page 403 of Harrington on cash games Vol 1. (set on an 89T flop with heavy 3 way action)

There are very few circumstances where folding a set is correct, this here is no exception, GII imo.

him a little more lucky...50% would play also. Well, if you have raised in the beginning?He might be afraid