$20 NLHE Full Ring: JJ overpair + OESD facing turn shove

$20 NL HE Full Ring: JJ overpair + OESD facing turn shove

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 16/8/1

Here what is our turn line facing a shove with overs and OESD. Villian min raises preflop I think flatting is ok here considering how aggro he is but what are your thoughts on the shove.
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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $25.30 (101.2 bb)
BTN: $10 (40 bb)
SB: $7.65 (30.6 bb)
BB: $4.90 (19.6 bb)
Hero (UTG): $25.35 (101.4 bb)
UTG+1: $27 (108 bb)
MP1: $10.65 (42.6 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $26.55 (106.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG with J:diamond: J:heart:
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, MP3 raises to $1.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.85) 8:diamond: 9:diamond: 6:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($8.35) T:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $22.55 and is all-in, Hero???

edit- im retarded, just realized your both full stacked, as played i'd fold the turn, preflop and flop look fine to me

Jurn8 said:

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 16/8/1

Here what is our turn line facing a shove with overs and OESD. Villian min raises preflop I think flatting is ok here considering how aggro he is

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16/8/1 = aggro?

Richyl2008 said:

4bet pre get it in, or checkraise the flop, unless you think he's only doing this with qq+. You really shouldn't be in this situation on the turn, because if you want to play this hand against someone with only 50bb's

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Also not seeing where 50bbs comes from.


obv I'm lost in this thread ...

This hand makes my head hurt a little.

On one hand, we've very much under represented our hand by check-calling the flop. Villain's probably much more likely to be putting us on a draw or overcards than he is an overpair.

On the other hand, we're still vulnerable to QQ+, sets and made straights.

I just can't put him on many hands that we beat where he shoves the turn like that. I can see QQ+ or a set doing it because they're scared of the huge number of draws that are out there. Does he really double-barrell like this with AKs/AQs?

I think I just cut my losses and fold this one.

FWIW, I probably would've lead the flop though. There's a good chance we're ahead at that stage but we want to charge the villain to draw and maybe get something like AK to float us for a street.

I think maybe I should have lead the turn?
Is that a good line?

hand is played fine, just fold turn to the massive overbet shove