$20 NLHE Full Ring: flop flush draw in 3bet pot

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Villain is completely unknown, this is his very first hand at the table

UTG ($30)
UTG+1 (£14)
MP1 ($20)
MP2 ($20)
CO - Villain ($20)
BTN ($20)
SB - Hero ($25.20)
BB ($20)

Hero is dealt 7d,6d

Pre flop ($0.50)
CO posts $0.20, 4folds, CO raises to $0.60, 1 fold, hero raises to $2, 1 fold, CO calls

Flop ($3.99) is Ad,2d,Ks
Hero bets $3, CO calls

Turn ($9.69) is 7c
Hero checks, CO bets $5.20, hero?

One of the reason's I 3bet pre is because he was new and posted the blind and often when people do that they raise because they think 'I've posted the blind so I may as well raise to try and steal the blinds.'

By the turn I catch a pair as well as my flush draw which gives me a few more outs as it this point I'm pretty sure I'm behind, thinking he has AQ/AJ. I check and he bets 1/2 the pot here. Is it just a fold here? If he does have AQ/AJ I have 14 outs which equates to about 28% equity. I am getting roughly 3 to 1 on a call and if I do call he will have about $10 left which would be 1/2 the pot.
 
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You cannot call, you have to shove or fold.

The whole hand is meh though, i mean when your playing nl$20 against lots of fish 3-betting 67s achieves little, 3 bet for value, here you are 3 betting as a bluff and most of the time it really is needless, just fold pre.

This hand is quite simple, even though at the tables it can feel quite close, i still think it is, if you think its a fish making da moves and wont fold any ace then its a clear fold, tbh i dont think he is. Calling is terrible on the tutn, b/f the turn yourself if you are doing anything. Once I check that turn i am done.
 
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Against likely fish I prefer folding pre. Against a reg I don't mind 3-betting hands like 67s but doing this relies on FE which against fish you don't have nearly enough of.
 
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I agree with the posts above, fold pre.. If I was IP a may be more tempted to 3 bet but against a new player to the table keep things simple and fold.

Bet slightly less on the flop, bet the turn.. as played though i would fold the turn
 
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This is a standard call on the turn, especially with the small pair. Shoving hardly ever folds worse and we have little fold equity. We have pot odds, so we can't fold. Idk why Tenbob thinks we can't call here.

I kinda hate preflop though.
 
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This is a standard call on the turn, especially with the small pair. Shoving hardly ever folds worse and we have little fold equity. We have pot odds, so we can't fold. Idk why Tenbob thinks we can't call here.

I kinda hate preflop though.
We have ~32% eq on the turn and getting slightly less than 3 to 1.It's closer than i would have thought when i first read the hand.That in mind i think the FE from shoving out Kx,some Ax and Qdxd,Jdxd type of hands makes shoveing a far better play.
Edit yeah 3betting a unknown with small suited connectors is pretty bad.
 
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Ok so I need to cut out the 3bet bluffs vs unknowns out of my game since it won't work enough. Is it an ok move against good regs who fold to 3bets lots though?
 
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Sorry I missed that we paired the turn. I still perfer betting the turn ourselves though.
 
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Sorry I missed that we paired the turn. I still perfer betting the turn ourselves though.

Why would you bet the turn? I don't think we have much fold equity if he does have AQ/AJ so is it not better to try and get a to the river for free? Supposing we do bet it how much would you bet?
 
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We have ~32% eq on the turn and getting slightly less than 3 to 1.It's closer than i would have thought when i first read the hand.That in mind i think the FE from shoving out Kx,some Ax and Qdxd,Jdxd type of hands makes shoveing a far better play.
Edit yeah 3betting a unknown with small suited connectors is pretty bad.
No Ax is ever folding, and we want the flush draws to call. Also, I don't think any of those hands fold given how little money is left. I much prefer check/calling the turn, since we have a bluff catcher, and almost guaranteed implied odds.
 
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I would fold man if he is as fishy as you say he raised you with Ax and your not a big favorite anymore. Im just saying if your correct and he is a fish then hell even a2 ofsuit is in his raising range. I mean after all "he has an ace" lmao. I know we have a pair but im sure if you stove it and you put him on any ace i think were still a pretty big dog here. Just wait and punish him in a few hands
 
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