$20 NLHE Full Ring: AK oop

$20 NL HE Full Ring: AK oop

Dont have a ton of hands on this player, but enough to know he's loose passive. Hows my line up until the river. Not sure if I should call the river bet or not, because I figured flush draws could definately be in his range, i'm getting like 7 to 1 on a call here.


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HAND #1
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party poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
MP3: $25 (100 bb)
CO: $20.25 (81 bb)
BTN: $15.25 (61 bb)
SB: $24.75 (99 bb)
BB: $25.15 (100.6 bb)
UTG+1: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
UTG+2: $28.10 (112.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $25.50 (102 bb)
MP2: $25 (100 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP1 with A:spade: K:spade:
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, CO calls $1, 3 folds
Flop: ($2.35) T:heart: K:heart: J:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2
Turn: ($6.35) 3:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls $4
River: ($14.35) 6:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero ?

I play this exactly the same way through the river (not that this makes the play necessarily right... ).

Also, I'm expecting to see any heart or possibly two pair which we pay off, but also expecting any single pair or air, since you'd probably take the same line with AQ, QJ, etc. - so I'm calling the river, especially since it's such a small bet. I don't put him on a flopped flush or straight, even a loose passive will generally raise the turn with those.

ultra sick river card for you. but.. i think id have to pay him off and call ...
a call here doesnt always mean we are beat... he could have 2 par, set or be on a bluff..

Turning 1 pair into a bluff is gonna be way more +EV than check/calling. He did give you awesome odds to call here, but I still prefer just betting like $8.

c9h13no3 said:

Turning 1 pair into a bluff is gonna be way more +EV than check/calling. He did give you awesome odds to call here, but I still prefer just betting like $8.

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I'm curious as to what exactly his stats are...

but you want to bluff a loose/passive?

Can you explain this a little better? Loose/passives at FR like this almost always have something and are also notorious for being the worst value betters ever....

I think we are way behind here most of the time and he's virtually never folding to $8 after leading out for $2.50.....I don't care if all he has is the 2h. The only hand that makes much sense that we might get some value from is KQ (with no hearts)...as i see it at least?


*depending on his exact stats I could change my mind a little bit but general loose/passives simply don't bet anything without a good hand... and we don't beat most of his "good" hands..

Tygran said:

I think we are way behind here most of the time and he's virtually never folding to $8 after leading out for $2.50

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How are we going to bet $8 after he leads out.... that'd be a raise.

If you want to show your hand down, betting is the best choice, since if we check to him, he will check back all his crappy aces & 1 pair hands, but he will value town us with all his flushes. But if we bet, he will sometimes call with those 1-pair hands that check back.

If we don't care about showing our hand down, and don't mind turning it into a bluff, then betting like 7-8$ on the river is by far the best choice, and it only has to work ~40% of the time to be profitable, and we'll probably get at least that many folds.

So either way, if you want to view it as a value bet or a bluff, it doesn't matter. The point is that either way, betting is almost always the best choice when faced with a 4-flush river like this, even against a loose passive opponent. Its like Clarkmeister's theorem or something.

Edit - I attached a post from "the place that likes addition" for reference.

c9h13no3 said:

How are we going to bet $8 after he leads out.... that'd be a raise.

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Fair enough, long day.

I read your post as if you were advocating check/raising him to $8 which made no sense whatsoever to me. My mistake for misreading.


I like leading for $8 far better than what I thought you said