$20 NLHE Full Ring: 3bet pot, pick up FD on turn

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This is actually $30 NLHE.

Villain is completely unknown

UTG ($30)
UTG+1 ($31.50)
MP1 ($30)
MP2 ($30)
MP3 ($30)
CO ($30)
BTN ($30)
SB ($30)
BB - Hero ($30)

Hero is dealt Ad,Kd

Preflop ($0.45)
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.20, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises to $4.20, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold

Flop ($9.12) is Jc,4h,3d
Hero bets $5.10, UTG+1 calls

Turn ($18.81) is 8d
Hero?

So on the turn I pick up the nutflush draw and I have $20.70 (he has me covered) left with the pot at $18.81. What is the best move here?
 
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Cheeeeeeeck (held out for dramatic effect)
 
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No but really, check.

I would say it depends on villain but in this case not at all. If you fire the turn, then you pot commit yourself, and that's not the situation you wanna stack off in.

Your most likely 31% to make the best hand on the river, but I don't believe you have enough fold equity here to make that a profitable play.

Check and pray he checks behind or fires $6 to give you odds to chase.
 
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I prefer barreling, his range probably looks something like TT-QQ, AJs+, AQo+. You bet 100% of your range on this board so he can float a lot. Firing another barrel can fold out all his air that we don't want to bet which it will do if we check. It even folds out (or it should do) AJ/TT and I think he can only continue with JJ-QQ which we still have decent enough equity against and we are priced in if he does shove. I'd bet $10.70 just because I like being left with an even number and call shove.
 
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Why're we considering this a good player if we have no info on him??

I just think giving this guy credit to folding AJ and making a read of OP's hand as QQ, KK, or AA, is a little much.

Then you can definitely cash in on some real value if your diamond hits and the turn went check check.

You get 99 or 10 10 to fold, J10, possibly a higher jack, and any air, which I wouldn't put him on here. AQ really floats? I mean, you want him to be floating here to make this move justifiable..

It all depends on the villain but considering no info.. Not exactly the guy I wanna go barreling into resulting in stacking off at 30% in the best case scenario.
 
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Why're we considering this a good player if we have no info on him??

I just think giving this guy credit to folding AJ and making a read of OP's hand as QQ, KK, or AA, is a little much.

Then you can definitely cash in on some real value if your diamond hits and the turn went check check.

You get 99 or 10 10 to fold, J10, possibly a higher jack, and any air, which I wouldn't put him on here. AQ really floats? I mean, you want him to be floating here to make this move justifiable..

It all depends on the villain but considering no info.. Not exactly the guy I wanna go barreling into resulting in stacking off at 30% in the best case scenario.
Even if he is a fish who's going to call AJ all the way down that's fine. If he shoves we have decent equity and if he calls we can barrel a decent amount of rivers for pure value to make up for lack of FE.

Why can't he be floating here? A lot of people will float in 3-bet pots, especially with two overcards on an ultra dry board and IP. Even if he has 0 floats I still prefer betting to checking, the fact he can have random floats adds even more to betting being better.
 
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He could be floating, or he could have OP on AA. These are totally opposites. He has a range here that i'm not extremely comfortable with bluffing.

And most likely he shoves us on the turn as he rarely is ever folding river unless he's drawing himself.

I think it's very close, but I believe it's a little over aggro without knowing anything about the villain. If it was Qd on the turn i'm shippin it!
 
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I think it's quite standard to flat pre vs an UTG who is most likely a reg with his full stack.
 
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Most people 3bet AK at any time, no matter what Acky.

But I agree with that play personally as well.
 
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Most people 3bet AK at any time, no matter what Acky.

But I agree with that play personally as well.


I agree they definitely do, most don't think why they do it though. More regulars than not at 50nl+ will just flat though, and i have seen quite a lot of coaches in videos advocating flatting a FR UTG open in the blinds with AK and the same for UTG opens in 6max too, so there has to be some merit in it. FR UTG ranges from regulars are just so tight like 7-10% of hands, that might be why it's pretty standard to flat at FR, not 100% sure about 6max but i know its definitely common and can't be bad because a standard UTG range at 6max is still pretty tight 10-13% i'd say. I'm not slating 3betting it though, i'd just rather know the guy is going to call with worse a lot, might be a fair assumption given its 30nl but im still not sure because UTG at FR is real tight.
 
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Bet/calling sounds good to me
 
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