$20 NLHE Full Ring: $25nl, Flush draw OOP, 4 way

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$20 NL HE Full Ring: $25nl, Flush draw OOP, 4 way

Flush draw in a raised pot, 4 way, but OOP. Ignore what the hand thread starter says about $20 :/

I'm not actually the "Hero" here. I'm actually UTG+1 who open raises, but I found my opponent's perspective interesting so I manipulated the hand history to see it from his perspective.


"Hero" is a LAG; 50/30/3 or something like that. I raise UTG+1 and get two callers behind and he calls from the blinds.


poker stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $4.90 (19.6 bb)
UTG: $25.80 (103.2 bb)
UTG+1: $30.50 (122 bb)
MP1: $26.65 (106.6 bb)
MP2: $13.90 (55.6 bb)
MP3: $36.70 (146.8 bb)
CO: $14.75 (59 bb)
BTN: $5 (20 bb)
Hero (SB): $51.85 (207.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with J
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UTG folds,
UTG+1 raises to $1
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MP1 calls $1, MP2 folds, MP3 folds,
CO calls $1, BTN folds,
Hero calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($4.25) 3
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(4 players)
Hero bets $0.25


This is interesting to me. Typical donk bet means "I've paired something" but in this case it's too small for that. Those type of donk bets are usually a little bigger, especially given the pot size.

If no one raises they all have unpaired overcards and/or are afraid of the 4 way situation. Hero could then try to take it away on the turn, or catch his flush for cheap.



But I think what he's really trying to do with this lead is to force someone to raise. I've raised UTG+1, but I'm OOP and if I've wiffed I'm not likely to raise. But if I don't raise then CO might sense no strength and try to take it away.

Since "Hero" is LAG and last to complete preflop, he can also represent a possible A3s by checkraising, and he's got the flush draw and overs (if everyone else has missed) if he gets called. Because it's 4 way and likely a totally missed flop by everyone else, I think he wants to avoid getting checked around by donking a minbet to stimulate a raise.


Any thoughts on this? Does this strategy make sense? Am I misreading his strategy?
 
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These donkbets are so rarely a hand, they're almost always weaker than a check. I'd just bet the usual 3$ or whatever I'd bet without the extra quarter in there.
 
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These donkbets are so rarely a hand, they're almost always weaker than a check. I'd just bet the usual 3$ or whatever I'd bet without the extra quarter in there.

Agreed. But maybe my question wasn't very clear.

What about his min-donk as his strategy to generate action so he can checkraise? Does it have any value in a situation as specific as this?
 
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Agreed. But maybe my question wasn't very clear.

What about his min-donk as his strategy to generate action so he can checkraise? Does it have any value in a situation as specific as this?

actually against really aggro guys ive done similiar things where i have like a combo draw and i want some one to go "wtf does that mean" and then raise

i wouldn't try it often but it could be could against certain players
 
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actually against really aggro guys ive done similiar things where i have like a combo draw and i want some one to go "wtf does that mean" and then raise

i wouldn't try it often but it could be could against certain players

But against aggro players you wouldn't need to stimulate action though would you?

Or do you think that by donking and then reraising you get more chips than by waiting for them to bet? Or by donking and reraising will show even more strength that just check/raising?
 
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But against aggro players you wouldn't need to stimulate action though would you?

Or do you think that by donking and then reraising you get more chips than by waiting for them to bet? Or by donking and reraising will show even more strength that just check/raising?

i think check raising is fine because odds are they'll bet anyway but theres that extra "what is goin on" kind of mentality for them

their raise also might be bigger than just a normal c-bet

but i havent used it enough to say how effective it is i just think (like a lot of things in poker) it can have a place
 
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but i havent used it enough to say how effective it is i just think (like a lot of things in poker) it can have a place

Yeah, kinda like this play of min donking a multiway flop to generate action. It's pretty situation specific, but I was wondering if it had any value.


fwiw, I had QQ UTG, raised to $3, he reraised, I figured it's 95% likely he has a flush draw so I shoved. QQ held up.
 
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