€20 NLHE 6-max: Are you going to call here?

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iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 128 BB (VPIP: 42.54, PFR: 10.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.93, hands: 273)
CO: 139.25 BB (VPIP: 64.29, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BTN: 134.5 BB (VPIP: 20.32, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 5.68, Hands: 14,872)
Hero (SB): 200.7 BB
BB: 76.35 BB (VPIP: 78.95, PFR: 22.81, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 59)
UTG: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 74.84, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 157)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: J:club:

fold, MP calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, BB calls 3.5 BB, MP calls 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 4 players) 4:club: K:club: Q:spade:
Hero bets 14.4 BB, BB calls 14.4 BB, MP calls 14.4 BB, fold

Turn: (61.2 BB, 3 players) 7:diamond:
Hero checks, BB bets 57.45 BB, MP calls 57.45 BB, ??

Such a tempting but expensive spot. :confused:
 
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Bigger preflop. Your goal is to get heads up, and with two limpers and a drooler in the big blind, you're gonna need way more pre.

Aggression % on the drooler?

Why does the turn have question marks? You call. Am I missing something? Do you die if you miss your draw? I don't see how this is puzzle.
 
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Bigger preflop. Your goal is to get heads up, and with two limpers and a drooler in the big blind, you're gonna need way more pre.

Aggression % on the drooler?

Why does the turn have question marks? You call. Am I missing something? Do you die if you miss your draw? I don't see how this is puzzle.
No I won't die but I care about making the right decisions. As crazy as this table had been I am definitely behind here. I have 10-12 outs depending on what my opponents have, very rarely my Ace might be live here but I don't think at this point it's going to be too many times.

I am not sure I'll get paid if I hit the river and shove because the player who still has chips left is not nearly as bad as the other one.

As for pre flop well it's not easy to get heads up on a table like this. The goal for me is to have a good pot size if I hit my hand. I am OOP if I miss I am never C betting my opponents here. I can reserve those crazy raises for premium pairs because these players will still call anyways.

And remember we have players here who might limp with AK and AQ so it's never a good idea to go completely bonkers with AJ in my opinion.
 
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11*2 = 22%

You're getting 3:1 plus easy implied odds, sooooo? Call?

And you don't know if you'll get paid? You've got two players, and your straight odds are quite disguised. And MP is deffo calling whatever you bet, since he'll be getting like a kabillion:1. So yeah, you've got implied odds.

And why aren't you cbetting against 1 opponent? Stop being timid son, and dab on 'em. At least 6 BB's preflop, 8 would probably not be crazy.
 
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11*2 = 22%

You're getting 3:1 plus easy implied odds, sooooo? Call?

And you don't know if you'll get paid? You've got two players, and your straight odds are quite disguised. And MP is deffo calling whatever you bet, since he'll be getting like a kabillion:1. So yeah, you've got implied odds.

And why aren't you cbetting against 1 opponent? Stop being timid son, and dab on 'em. At least 6 BB's preflop, 8 would probably not be crazy.
What about the scenario of the Q or 7 of spade hitting the river and losing even more money? Does that not offset the implied odds situation? It's sort of like when we factor in set over set in set mining implied odds.

I was watching a Galfond video in which he said that you should not be looking to get yourself into every break even scenario and reduce your variance where you can. Isn't this a similar situation?
 
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You have direct odds on a break even call if your A isn't live. Plus I don't think MP can really have air in his range at this point and has 50bb behind and if you shove river the pot will be 283bbs so I don't see many players folding here at 20NL.

FWIW, I wouldn't hate folding here and I can see how its an annoying spot but I think calling is marginally +EV.
 
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Preflop I think you're raising pretty light in this position. I'd say minimum of 6 up to at least 9 or 10. Unless you wanted everyone to call and out play post flop? Not really sure why you would want to try that with AJs though.

As played I'm calling the turn.
 
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My standard pre flop raise is 2.5BB so I just add up the limpers and raise. I will sometimes make an exception to this but only with premium pairs or maybe with AK when I know I am going to get called anyways.

Anyways so one last question. What do you do if we hit an ace on the river and facing a shove? Maybe the CO is playing AT and thinks he is good to shove on the river.
 
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Villain doesn't have AT. You fold in that spot.
 
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Bigger preflop. Your goal is to get heads up, and with two limpers and a drooler in the big blind, you're gonna need way more pre.

Aggression % on the drooler?

Why does the turn have question marks? You call. Am I missing something? Do you die if you miss your draw? I don't see how this is puzzle.

What he said, except we should berate you more! :) lol hehe...

In other news, my amazon echo is pretty sweet. For an NSA listening device, it's better than I thought it would be. :)
 
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