$20 NLHE 6-max: What would you do ? only 30 Games info on this guy

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 21/12/67

What would u do ? =/
I bet river cuz i though he might have JJ
PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $15.56
BTN: $27.73
Hero (SB): $26.55
BB: $18.50
UTG: $16.00
MP: $18.46

Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: ($0.24) Hero has Q:spade: Q:heart:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.64, Hero raises to $2.08, fold, BTN calls $1.44

Flop: ($4.32, 2 players) 5:diamond: 8:diamond: 2:spade:
Hero bets $3.01, BTN calls $3.01

Turn: ($10.34, 2 players) K:heart:
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($10.34, 2 players) 9:spade:
Hero bets $5.16, BTN raises to $22.64 and is all-in, fold

BTN wins $19.73
 
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I like pre,I like the flop,Turn i bet ~$7,river i c/c
I thought he might have JJ is some gross thinking.
 
c9h13no3

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This seems fine.

The only thing I would maybe consider doing differently is check/calling the river. All the draws missed and villain is pretty aggressive. But he didnt bluff the turn either, so bet/folding seems fine to me too. I might just be results oriented here, since I know villain shoves the river.
 
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This seems fine.

The only thing I would maybe consider doing differently is check/calling the river. All the draws missed and villain is pretty aggressive. But he didnt bluff the turn either, so bet/folding seems fine to me too. I might just be results oriented here, since I know villain shoves the river.
You don't like betting the turn?? Shouldn't be a lot of Kx's in villains range soooo...I bet the turn for value vs 66,77,8x,99,TT,st8 draws,flush draws.
 
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You don't like betting the turn?? Shouldn't be a lot of Kx's in villains range soooo...I bet the turn for value vs 66,77,8x,99,TT,st8 draws,flush draws.
Yeah, I thought about betting the turn as well, and actually posed the question to the Skype chat group. I think Jurn & Arran both wanted to bet the turn.

I personally am kinda torn, and I haven't played NLHE in a long time, aside from 1/2 live. So I wasn't super confident in any of my answers. But here's some random reasons to bet the turn/not bet the turn.

1) Betting the turn likely gets a good number of folds from underpairs (8x, 99-QQ). Its the same reason we bet this turn when we have air, because we think we can get those hands to fold. Now in a 3-bet pot, this applies less. But I think we maybe get more calls if we wait for the river to vbet.

2) Betting the turn keeps villain from drawing out on us. But I don't think there's a lot of flush draws in villain's range (3-bet pot and all). The only real draws villain had hit on the turn. Every hand from here on out (except flush draws) have 2 or 3 outs against us.

3) Checking the turn keeps the pot smaller. If the turn checks through, it allows me to keep the pot limited to 2 bets postflop. And it forces villain to barrel twice (or bluff/raise) if they have air/something they want to turn into a bluff. Plus, those smaller pairs can check back, and they don't face the possibility of an big pot like they do if we bet the turn.

So yeah, I don't think that solves anything.

FWIW, when villain raises the river, I'd put his range as something like AK/99 with some discounted AA & KK, and maybe a broken AJs flush draw or something once in a while.

IMO this hand has a lot of close decisions after the flop, and I'm not sure it matters much what you do. I can see a lot of merit to many lines.
 
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This seems fine.

The only thing I would maybe consider doing differently is check/calling the river. All the draws missed and villain is pretty aggressive. But he didnt bluff the turn either, so bet/folding seems fine to me too. I might just be results oriented here, since I know villain shoves the river.
Is it just me or do you think he could have AK in his range and float the flop there ? i felt that was possible so i checked, when he decided to check the turn i fired the river cuz it smelled like an JJ type of hand.
 
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Is it just me or do you think he could have AK in his range and float the flop there ? i felt that was possible so i checked, when he decided to check the turn i fired the river cuz it smelled like an JJ type of hand.
Yeah, I cant rule out him floating the flop with AK, KQ.
 
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This seems fine.

The only thing I would maybe consider doing differently is check/calling the river. All the draws missed and villain is pretty aggressive. But he didnt bluff the turn either, so bet/folding seems fine to me too. I might just be results oriented here, since I know villain shoves the river.

I'm with this. I don't see villain bluffing this river
 
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I think you played it fine too. You can't win every hand :)
 
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I'm betting the turn for sure and folding to a reraise.
 
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Intresting spot/thread.
I think in play I'd have gone with JB's line and I believe it's EV+ but the more I think about it the more I prefer your line.

*I'd expect most draws to bet for us when we check the turn which was really the only purpose of the bet.
*I don't expect a villain who appears this passive to double barrel his floats and probably not his draws so just need to c/c once. (Kx only makes one bet from us as opposed to two if we b/f > c/c
*Villain PFR% is pretty small there likely aren't any straight draws and not that many flush draws whilst he looks fishy enough to float overcards 100% of the time on flops like this. (not that it's a terrible thing to do but fish will always do it).

Fold river ldo.
 
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