€20 NLHE 6-max: Is this monumental loss justified?

iPoker - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 34.02, PFR: 24.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, hands: 197)
UTG: 102.4 BB (VPIP: 11.22, PFR: 8.16, 3Bet Preflop: 2.78, Hands: 100)
Hero (MP): 235.45 BB
CO: 429.7 BB (VPIP: 41.35, PFR: 11.89, 3Bet Preflop: 1.07, Hands: 767)
BTN: 141.3 BB (VPIP: 43.40, PFR: 20.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
SB: 103.15 BB (VPIP: 24.92, PFR: 17.41, 3Bet Preflop: 9.07, Hands: 1,315)

6 players post ante of 0.2 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.7 BB) Hero has K:diamond: K:club:

UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 20 BB, CO calls 20 BB, BTN calls 20 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (65.7 BB, 3 players) J:club: T:heart: Q:diamond:
Hero bets 72.25 BB, CO raises to 144.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 215.25 BB, CO calls 70.75 BB

Turn: (496.2 BB, 2 players) 4:club:

River: (496.2 BB, 2 players) 3:spade:

Hero mucks K:diamond: K:club: (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 81%, Flop 32%, Turn 23%)
CO shows Q:heart: Q:spade: (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 19%, Flop 68%, Turn 77%)
CO wins 481.2 BB

I really don't know what to think of this hand. I loved the size of the pot pre and was ready to go ballistic if an ace doesn't hit the board. When that flop comes I really don't know. My hand is blocking AK and against everything else I have a reasonable chance. When the CO 2 bets me I knew I am in trouble but it was too late.

If I check the flop and the CO makes a big bet which I am sure he would have what can I really do anyways? I am going to get committed either way.

Damn, what a hard hand.

As I see it you played it perfect PRE.
OTF though, I would be scared that UTG has some kind of hand, He have been playing tight and all of a sudden raises from UTG? When you are on such a loose table? Anyways, Its really hard if not impossible to get away from this hand. I would probebly not have betted that big OTF just because of UTG.

Now if you bet 40bb instead, could you get away from it? I dont know how well you know them but CO seems to be loose passive and may only raise hes monster hands? Thats the only way I see you getting away from it.
You are about 50/50 against any 2Pair witch could be a big part of hes range.

I think you played it well other than the Flop size, but I guess thats just an oppinon thing

Leading out the flop like that was extremely risky, some might call it a mistake too in this situation.:icon_pale

Even though it might seem that we have a very strong hand (surely the best hand pre flop) but our villains could easily have out flopped us since they both flat called our 3bet pre flop. :afraid:

So we have to check try and "check call" the flop first and if there is too much aggression to our left then get out on the turn/river if need be after checking the turn and river as well. It all depends on what happens after we check.:burnout:

mr_kommpa said:

Damn, what a hard hand.

As I see it you played it perfect PRE.
OTF though, I would be scared that UTG has some kind of hand, He have been playing tight and all of a sudden raises from UTG? When you are on such a loose table? Anyways, Its really hard if not impossible to get away from this hand. I would probebly not have betted that big OTF just because of UTG.

Now if you bet 40bb instead, could you get away from it? I dont know how well you know them but CO seems to be loose passive and may only raise hes monster hands? Thats the only way I see you getting away from it.
You are about 50/50 against any 2Pair witch could be a big part of hes range.

I think you played it well other than the Flop size, but I guess thats just an oppinon thing

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UTG folded its the CO and BTN who called and both have been playing loose.

I think I agree with both the comments that my flop raise is not right. In fact I think checking it might have been a better option. If the CO makes good value bets I am probably committed before the river but people don't always make good value bets especially with a monster hand like he had. But then again if the CO makes an unusually small bet I'll be inclined to raise him for value so overall this just seems such a tough spot as you said.

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Ohhh, Okay. Well than I understand the Flop bet more.
It is a dangerus board but they are fishes and you could definitely get some more value. But when one of them are raising you I would guess you are 50/50 at best. Still a hard laydown though against a fish and that 4 ish SPR

So stopping to think about it what are we actually beating that raises on that flop? I cannot see anything.
You only really beat AQ or 99 now and I cannot see those hands raising on the flop
Although you block AK there are still 8 combos plus the 12 set combos.
Multi tabling I would probably have bet on auto pilot without having thought of anything other than top pair + open ended. So the mistake appears to be the big partially committing flop bet when with a bit more thought more caution was called for. certainly it was another mistake just to shove gii here on the flop. Again what were your thought processes what did you think you were beating?
So maybe bet what you would happily call on the flop maybe 50-65% and then re-evaluate. Getting raised is sick here but if he takes away our odds to draw it should be a fold. Are we good enough to fold even then...only if really on our A game. Tough spot that takes a little more thought than at first glance.

When betting so big OTF hes getting too good odds to fold. Hes about 50/50 against 2pair and 30 agsinst a set. Tough spot, dont think I could ever B/F here, I would need to check to ever be able to conaider folding.

Fold the flop

what hand could he be bluffing with on the flop, especially after the strength you showed. Think check/call and reevaluate on the turn or bet smaller and fold when he raises.

SnowedIn said:

what hand could he be bluffing with on the flop, especially after the strength you showed. Think check/call and reevaluate on the turn or bet smaller and fold when he raises.

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I am committed after my flop bet. I have 10 outs against a set and even more against 2 pair.

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