£20 NLHE 6-max: Just a cooler?

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iPoker - £0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 227.25 BB (VPIP: 23.01, PFR: 17.73, 3Bet Preflop: 7.83, hands: 1,312)
BB: 207.3 BB (VPIP: 27.98, PFR: 20.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.08, Hands: 843)
Hero (UTG): 149.4 BB
CO: 104.7 BB (VPIP: 62.50, PFR: 6.94, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 74)
BTN: 280.1 BB (VPIP: 19.30, PFR: 12.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.96, Hands: 5,272)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:spade:

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, CO calls 2.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 12.75 BB, fold, Hero raises to 41.75 BB, fold, SB raises to 227.25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 107.65 BB

Flop: (302.3 BB, 2 players) 9:heart: 7:heart: 5:diamond:

Turn: (302.3 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:

River: (302.3 BB, 2 players) 2:club:

SB shows K:club: K:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
(Pre 82%, Flop 86%, Turn 95%)
Hero mucks Q:heart: Q:spade: (Two Pair, Queens and Nines)
(Pre 18%, Flop 14%, Turn 5%)
SB wins 365.15 BB

QQ can never be folded when an 8% 3 bets. He will have some Ax and Kx hands in his range here so just calling is a dangerous proposition even IP. Can't fold to 5 bet because he will shove AK here. 150BB is not nearly enough to make people change their 5 bet range against us.

Even if I just call I can never fold then because he could simply be firing away with JJ. So really against this sort of a player there is really nothing that can be done right?
 
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Considering he's 3bet and then proceeded to 5bet shove a UTG open you have to give him credit for something.

Meh tough one, maybe you can get away, maybe you can't.
 
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Just a math call

His range when he shoves is AK, AA, KK, QQ exactly. You have 40% equity against that range and you have to call 108 to win 195 so 1.8 to 1 so you need ~37% equity to call so its marginally +EV. If you don't think he is jamming AK every time then you can probably find a fold.

Why are you 4 betting so big here?
 
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Considering he's 3bet and then proceeded to 5bet shove a UTG open you have to give him credit for something.
Yep.

I actually like calling preflop a bit more. We're in position, fairly deep, and a 4-bet from UTG looks pretty damn strong. Just call, play a little postflop poker (and then go broke on the flop, or likely later in the hand, but whatever).

As played, this is borderline. 150 deep, he 3-bets just enough to justify 4-betting and calling off. But your typical reg is pretty positionally aware in this spot.
 
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Call the 3bet fold his shove

If im winning i call tho if im missing and losing i will fold this
 
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Just a math call

His range when he shoves is AK, AA, KK, QQ exactly. You have 40% equity against that range and you have to call 108 to win 195 so 1.8 to 1 so you need ~37% equity to call so its marginally +EV. If you don't think he is jamming AK every time then you can probably find a fold.

Why are you 4 betting so big here?

I normally always make a pot size 4 bet minimum is that wrong?

For a little while I started 4 bet bluffing in some spots so I had adjusted my sizing. But now I no longer do that so I just go for pot size or higher.

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Meh spot. 4-bet to 30BB (2.5x ) max here, especially after you 3-betting UTG which he probably knows represents a strong hand and he 3-betting you from SB. You get 5-bet shoved and villain is pretty deep, can't be much else than KK+ imo. If he would have done the same 5-bet all-in after a smaller 4-bet from my side I would fold here. Would only call here with KK+, villain seems like a decent player.
 
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150 bbs deep though, people aren't going to just shove AQ. At these stakes he's pretty much always going to have AKs/KK+. You don't want the pot MW in a sandwiched position, so I'd likely make a small 4-bet, but if you get 5-bet there I'd highly consider folding. High 3-bet does not mean someone is going to go bonkers 5-bet shoving deep. I don't think it's horrible just calling because it looks like CO is a fish and you can still somewhat use position if he calls. CO probably won't get out of line considering it's a 3-bet pot, and it keeps the SB more honest having to bet into 2 people OOP (and you have a hand).
 
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As said earlier 4 betting is the mistake. On the 5-bet you are beat (not AK).
 
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As said earlier 4 betting is the mistake. On the 5-bet you are beat (not AK).

Most decent regs shove AK pre at 20NL even against me despite the fact that I play so tight.

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100bb deep, probably

Ya this is the one thing where I perhaps went a little wrong here. After playing a lot of 50NL I was playing 20 that night and maybe that's why I just didn't give 150BB as much thought as I may normally.

And I have folded QQ to 4 bets plenty of times but if we are facing a 3 bet then QQ is always a tricky spot against all opponents except the super nits which exist far and few these days.

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