€20 NLHE 6-max: Hero fold KK with huge action?

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€20 NL HE 6-max: Hero fold KK with huge action?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 41/17/3

Villain that shoved was obv fishy, but didn't see him shove like that before in 100 or so hands. How likely is it both have overpairs or less here?

€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG scauttino (€53.60)
CO Hero (€36.98)
BTN BrugnerA79 (€20)
SB xSergantx (€39.82)
BB EnyAAh (€15.87)

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 5 players) Hero is CO K:club: K:diamond:
scauttino raises to €0.70, Hero raises to €1.97, BrugnerA79 calls €1.97, 2 folds, scauttino calls €1.27

Flop: 9:club: 5:diamond: 10:club: (€6.21, 3 players)
scauttino checks, Hero bets €4.40, BrugnerA79 raises to €9.40, scauttino goes all-in €51.63, Hero ???,
 
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The Hero gets it in with the fist pump... this fish either has A/10, or flush draw, I really hope you got it all in, please dont tell me you folded. . . i might cry
 
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The Hero gets it in with the fist pump... this fish either has A/10, or flush draw, I really hope you got it all in, please dont tell me you folded. . . i might cry

I'll tell results after more opinions if you want them. However this fish wasn't bluffing too much, he was on the passive side of things, more fishy pre than post flop.

I guess the question is how many times does he shove here with a worse hand? It doesn't need to be that much, since I have my outs, I'm almost 30% to beat top pair, he can have overpair the only thing that really kills me are sets I guess. I'm pretty sure I have BTN covered too.

But does he ever shove this with less than 2 pair?
 
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But does he ever shove this with less than 2 pair?

yes.

why wouldn't he shove with a flush/ strait draw combo? This isn't $10/$20 blinds, he could have 2 pair or a set but the chances are not likley, from your post i can tell now you probably got beat, which is unfortunate, but at this level with this type of player you are never folding your hand here... how ever many times you run it you will be +EV in this situation, and maybe even catch runner runner clubs to hit the 2nd nut flush.
 
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3-bet larger preflop, yeesh.
 
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Not when you have a hand you are 3betting for pure value against a fish that's gonna call you.
And when you're almost 200bb's deep. Playing deep changes a lot of your preflop decisions, and I'd highly recommend not playing 200+ deep if you're not used to it.
 
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And when you're almost 200bb's deep. Playing deep changes a lot of your preflop decisions, and I'd highly recommend not playing 200+ deep if you're not used to it.

True, I have thought about giving/getting odds to set-mine with standard 3-bets when deep or call SC's, I just haven't realized it while on the table. How much should a 3bet be 200 deep...15 bbs? more?

I assume the PFR should be larger as well and ranges can be widened to implied odds hands
 
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True, I have thought about giving/getting odds to set-mine with standard 3-bets when deep or call SC's, I just haven't realized it while on the table. How much should a 3bet be 200 deep...15 bbs? more?

I assume the PFR should be larger as well and ranges can be widened to implied odds hands
This opens up a really big can of worms. A pot sized raise is $2.40, so it should at least be that big. Since our opponent is bad, and we're deep, I probably just pump it to $2.80-$3.00. $3 will put the stack to pot ratio at about 5.5, which is about right for stacking an over pair, maybe a little high.

This guy is a fish, so we shouldn't even bother 3-betting him small and with implied odds hands. We should do that against regs. If villain had stats of like 20/17, and he folds to 3-bets well, then I just start 3-betting small constantly with a lot of bluffs in my range.
 
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