£20 NLHE 6-max: Fold the flop or turn? Or no fold at all?

Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
iPoker - £0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 42.42, PFR: 21.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 34)
BTN: 291.5 BB (VPIP: 19.19, PFR: 17.06, 3Bet Preflop: 5.92, Hands: 5,878)
SB: 149.4 BB (VPIP: 20.35, PFR: 15.95, 3Bet Preflop: 6.09, Hands: 5,370)
Hero (BB): 128.8 BB
UTG: 26.65 BB (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 21)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:spade: A:club:

UTG calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 2:spade: 6:diamond: 8:heart:
Hero bets 16 BB, BTN raises to 41 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

Turn: (107.5 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
Hero checks, BTN bets 81 BB, fold

BTN wins 183.15 BB

I was considering folding the flop but it felt a little exploitable I wanted him to put it all in before I fold. This just screams a set and if he really bluffed me like that then well what can I say!
 
John A

John A

Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 12, 2012
Total posts
6,492
Awards
3
Chips
37
Almost 6k hands and he's pretty nitty. Yeah, these are tough spots because he's pretty polarized on the flop. It's either a set or air. The turn doesn't change anything, but I hear what you're saying about the flop. W/o specific history, at these stakes it's a fold most of the time on the turn.
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 2, 2007
Total posts
8,819
Chips
0
If he has a set in a 3-bet pot, he can have my stack if it's only 100 bb's. Got a fold to 3-bet percentage? Fold to flop c-bet?

I'm shipping the turn.
 
John A

John A

Poker Zion Coach
Silver Level
Joined
Apr 12, 2012
Total posts
6,492
Awards
3
Chips
37
If he has a set in a 3-bet pot, he can have my stack if it's only 100 bb's. Got a fold to 3-bet percentage? Fold to flop c-bet?

I'm shipping the turn.

It's not though, it's 130 bb effective and opponent has position AND he's got 6k hands on an opponent that has some pretty nitty stats. I'm not sure we even need to know aggression.
 
H

hffjd2000

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 6, 2014
Total posts
2,329
Chips
0
I believe your opponent. I would respect his aggression being a nitty guy.

One more thing, nicely played.
 
Seraphim

Seraphim

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 21, 2012
Total posts
514
Chips
0
Almost 6k hands and he's pretty nitty. Yeah, these are tough spots because he's pretty polarized on the flop. It's either a set or air. The turn doesn't change anything, but I hear what you're saying about the flop. W/o specific history, at these stakes it's a fold most of the time on the turn.

Do we really expect villain to flat a 3bet pre with 88-22? Tbh, I'm more afraid of the Q than anything else. I think he has QQ way more often than 88-22. Then again, do we expect villain to 2bet QQ on this board? I gave villain a range of 10+ AQ+, after he flats pre. Eh, maybe he feels he's getting a good price, given they're 130 deep?
 
Last edited:
Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
I must add that I am a tight player too so he must know I have a really strong hand.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk
 
Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
If he has a set in a 3-bet pot, he can have my stack if it's only 100 bb's. Got a fold to 3-bet percentage? Fold to flop c-bet?

I'm shipping the turn.
As John said its 130 BB. Fold to 3 bet after 2 bet 55%. Fold to flop c-bet 58%.
 
Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
Do we really expect villain to flat a 3bet pre with 88-22? Tbh, I'm more afraid of the Q than anything else. I think he has QQ way more often than 88-22. Then again, do we expect villain to 2bet QQ on this board? I gave villain a range of 10+ AQ+, after he flats pre. Eh, maybe he feels he's getting a good price, given they're 130 deep?
What's the difference between TT and 22 when set mining?? And yes that flop raise with QQ doesn't make much sense.

He is indeed getting a good price to set mine which is why I was open to folding it. I pay off those who make terrible set mining calls but this one was a good price to call for our opponent.
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 2, 2007
Total posts
8,819
Chips
0
130 vs. 100, villain's still not getting the required implied odds.

You guys are nits, worry about running into monsters with a big overpair with an SPR of 4.5. FURTHERMORE this is a BvB situation. Get it in and feel good about it.

This is why you 3-bet, to keep from worrying about unlikely hands!
 
c9h13no3

c9h13no3

Is drawing with AK
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 2, 2007
Total posts
8,819
Chips
0
PS - Those stats are pretty low. This villain doesn't give up much. And 19/17 isn't THAT tight.
 
Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
130 vs. 100, villain's still not getting the required implied odds.

You guys are nits, worry about running into monsters with a big overpair with an SPR of 4.5. FURTHERMORE this is a BvB situation. Get it in and feel good about it.

This is why you 3-bet, to keep from worrying about unlikely hands!

The right implied odds for set mining is a rather subjective matter.

This isn't a typical BvB situation, its different to the point that it doesn't matter.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk
 
Figaroo2

Figaroo2

Legend
Bronze Level
Joined
Sep 9, 2013
Total posts
7,363
Awards
16
Chips
13
If I were you I'd now pull him up in HM2 and have a proper look at his lines. He is clearly a reg you need to study to see where you can get an edge against him.
If this was on BET365 I think I played a few hands against you this month at this buy in, if so what is his player name and I'll have a look see what I have on him.
I think on this hand I'd have done the same and folded the turn but I wouldn't blame anyone for gii here. On that flop I'd be raising your flop cbet pretty wide here and there are lots of other overpairs we beat here
 
weldphaser

weldphaser

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 22, 2014
Total posts
199
Chips
0
Good fold. Nuts or air otf,and given you r pre aggression this isn't the ideal spot for him to show up with air. Good fold
 
Thinker_145

Thinker_145

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jun 26, 2013
Total posts
848
Awards
1
Chips
1
If I were you I'd now pull him up in HM2 and have a proper look at his lines. He is clearly a reg you need to study to see where you can get an edge against him.
If this was on BET365 I think I played a few hands against you this month at this buy in, if so what is his player name and I'll have a look see what I have on him.
I think on this hand I'd have done the same and folded the turn but I wouldn't blame anyone for gii here. On that flop I'd be raising your flop cbet pretty wide here and there are lots of other overpairs we beat here

Hey nice to have finally met someone here who has played with me. ☺
The user in question is r2pi.
BTW what's your username at bet365?

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk
 
Figaroo2

Figaroo2

Legend
Bronze Level
Joined
Sep 9, 2013
Total posts
7,363
Awards
16
Chips
13
Hey nice to have finally met someone here who has played with me. ☺
The user in question is r2pi.
BTW what's your username at bet365?
JOesphKERr on 365

I'm on and off that site like a yoyo tbh, sometimes i'll play for a week for a promo and then i won't play there for a couple of months. I don't go on the 20c tables much there. I've played 10k of hands there this year as opposed to like 100k on stars
I only have 24 hands on you and 88 on r2pi.
Looking at him though, he is tight solid and squeezes a fair amount but I pick up on 100% fold to cbet, which although its only 88 hands looks pretty unusual. He clearly makes his mind up on the flop whether or not he's going with the hand. So if he calls you beware!
He is also a double barreller but hasn't fired the 3rd in my sample so he could be worth a float. His cbet% is 90 again pretty high even in a small sample, turn cbet 80% again high.
wtsd 33% again quite high shows he's sticky once he's in a hand and will call alot on the end.

That all makes me think that this hand was a good fold.
 
Folding in Poker
Top