$20 NLHE 6-max: Flopped set, overbet turn?

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Is it a good spot to overbet on the turn, against:
1- BTN
2- Fish

Missed value otr? If club comes not sure what play would be against BTN

Microgaming - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €44.88 (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 20.31, 3Bet Preflop: 10.24, hands: 662)
SB: €23.25 (VPIP: 40.91, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 45)
BB: €21.41 (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 18.60, 3Bet Preflop: 3.23, Hands: 87)
Hero (UTG): €20.00
MP: €27.55 (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 51)
CO: €21.18 (VPIP: 25.50, PFR: 17.45, 3Bet Preflop: 3.08, Hands: 152)

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20, CO posts penalty blind €0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.40) Hero has 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='black'>♣</font>

Hero raises to €0.60, fold, fold, BTN calls €0.60, SB calls €0.50, fold

Flop: (€2.10, 3 players) 7<font color='red'>♦</font> T<font color='black'>♣</font> 9<font color='black'>♣</font>
SB checks, Hero bets €1.60, fold, SB calls €1.60

Turn: (€5.30, 2 players) 3<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB checks, Hero bets €4.10, SB calls €4.10

River: (€13.50, 2 players) 4<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB checks, Hero bets €10.10, SB calls €10.10

Hero shows 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='black'>♣</font> (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
SB mucks K<font color='red'>♥</font> T<font color='red'>♦</font> (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins €33.10
 
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I would 4x pre due to dead money from CO's post. Allows for more FE preflop and somewhat post on our larger c-bets. Taking the pot down pre is never a bad thing. Having a bigger pot when we flop a set is nice too.

Not sure overbetting is good here. I generally only overbet to make it look like a bluff OTR and maximize value, or in limped pots heads-up when I flop a monster. The pot is really small, and people call down lighter.

You can't have that many bluffs in your range when you overbet a super wet board. You wouldn't want to get jammed on with your semi-bluffs, and you'd probably check behind the turn for a free river. I think by overbetting you let the fish off the hook easily a decent amount of the time, either on the turn or by a river jam. Other than a bigger river bet, something like $11 or a little more, I think the hand was well played. If a club hit, I'd probably bet 50% pot against the fish. Against someone somewhat competent or not a fish it's close between betting 1/2 pot and checking back.
 
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I would 4x pre due to dead money from CO's post. Allows for more FE preflop and somewhat post on our larger c-bets. Taking the pot down pre is never a bad thing. Having a bigger pot when we flop a set is nice too.

Not sure overbetting is good here. I generally only overbet to make it look like a bluff OTR and maximize value, or in limped pots heads-up when I flop a monster. The pot is really small, and people call down lighter.

You can't have that many bluffs in your range when you overbet a super wet board. You wouldn't want to get jammed on with your semi-bluffs, and you'd probably check behind the turn for a free river. I think by overbetting you let the fish off the hook easily a decent amount of the time, either on the turn or by a river jam. Other than a bigger river bet, something like $11 or a little more, I think the hand was well played. If a club hit, I'd probably bet 50% pot against the fish. Against someone somewhat competent or not a fish it's close between betting 1/2 pot and checking back.

I agree the time to bet a little more was pre-flop, although 77 isn't exactly a premium hand. The fish called you down with TP good K. Would he pay more? Who knows, but risking getting a call when you look to be ahead trying get paid 20% or even 100% more on the call is pound foolish, IMHO
 
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I would 4x pre due to dead money from CO's post. Allows for more FE preflop and somewhat post on our larger c-bets. Taking the pot down pre is never a bad thing. Having a bigger pot when we flop a set is nice too.

Not sure overbetting is good here. I generally only overbet to make it look like a bluff OTR and maximize value, or in limped pots heads-up when I flop a monster. The pot is really small, and people call down lighter.

You can't have that many bluffs in your range when you overbet a super wet board. You wouldn't want to get jammed on with your semi-bluffs, and you'd probably check behind the turn for a free river. I think by overbetting you let the fish off the hook easily a decent amount of the time, either on the turn or by a river jam. Other than a bigger river bet, something like $11 or a little more, I think the hand was well played. If a club hit, I'd probably bet 50% pot against the fish. Against someone somewhat competent or not a fish it's close between betting 1/2 pot and checking back.

I could swear you just advocated limping 88 in the SB vs two limpers in the polished poker thread, but now you want a bigger pre-flop raise w/ 77. Not sure I understand your logic.

Any ways, as played OP, looks good. You got pretty much max value here. Bet sizing is good, and no reason to over bet the turn.
 
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I could swear you just advocated limping 88 in the SB vs two limpers in the polished poker thread, but now you want a bigger pre-flop raise w/ 77. Not sure I understand your logic.

Any ways, as played OP, looks good. You got pretty much max value here. Bet sizing is good, and no reason to over bet the turn.

Dead money in the pot here from CO post (who likely doesn't have a hand he can call a 4x with), we CAN take it down pre a good % of the time, and we're not always going to be OOP. If we limp here UTG, we are nowhere near closing the action and are going to get iso raised by BTN/CO/MP and possibly blinds a ton of the time.

Yes, I advocated limping behind 88 in the SB vs 3 limpers. When we're in the SB with 88, we're almost closing the action and have greater implied odds by letting everyone stay in the pot. BB can't raise without a premium or strong hand against 4 other limpers unless he wants to bleed money OOP. These situations aren't really similar to be compared. I don't really see how iso raising a bunch of fish who aren't going to fold pre with a mediocre hand like 88 while you're OOP is going to be +EV. OTB in position raising 88 is fine imo, but I'd still prefer to limp behind 2-3 other limpers and increase my implied odds. People from the blinds are hardly ever going to iso raise light over a bunch of limpers, given that they are OOP. They should expect at least 1-3 callers and for the limpers to get sticky pre with speculative hands.
 
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