$20 NLHE 6-max: flop action in 3bet pot oop

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PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 232.94 BB (VPIP: 16.44, PFR: 10.96, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, hands: 147)
UTG: 115.44 BB (VPIP: 20.33, PFR: 16.26, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 129)
CO: 131.44 BB (VPIP: 28.02, PFR: 20.23, 3Bet Preflop: 9.62, Hands: 265)
BTN: 99.31 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
Hero (SB): 112.75 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: K:heart:

fold, CO raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 10 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 2 players) 6:heart: A:diamond: A:heart:
Hero?
 
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i use call 3b its just 25 hands called 1/3(33%) u know unknown not full stack maybe donkey but i thought about 2barrel there but cant find an optimal plan. got it in really there by c/c flop and turn but had no clue about tendencies. vs a good reg i think i would bet once for sure and see what happens hate being face up valuetowned so posted for some opinions in general.
 
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Your infront.

I'd be betting for value and getting my chips in here because it's less likely he has an Ace with that board.
He didn't 3bet and he's on the button which gives you good information he should be weaker than you. Get your chips in and stackup off his lower PP

If he has an Ace S happens... Move on and do it again next time and you'll win more in the long run. They'll pay you off when you do this line in the future and have the Ace.
 
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Checking opens the door for him to barrel, can't really see the point in that. Probably just have to GII here because Ax is only so many combos and there are a lot more bluffs or underpairs in his range than that. I'm prob b/c, c/c to induce shoves with bluffs
 
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Bet. Most players won't slow play on a board like that and will raise you if they've got an Ace, unless they have A6 or AA. If you get called, keep betting until you meet resistance, then re-evaluate.
 
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Aces2w1n said:
Your infront.

I'd be betting for value and getting my chips in here because it's less likely he has an Ace with that board.
He didn't 3bet and he's on the button which gives you good information he should be weaker than you. Get your chips in and stackup off his lower PP

If he has an Ace S happens... Move on and do it again next time and you'll win more in the long run. They'll pay you off when you do this line in the future and have the Ace.
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Bad choice IMO. Is he calling a shove here without an Ace? What normal human would do that? It is a 3 bet pot. If you bet and he calls than the hand is over.
 
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swingro said:
Bad choice IMO. Is he calling a shove here without an Ace? What normal human would do that? It is a 3 bet pot. If you bet and he calls than the hand is over.
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His 3bet is 9% it's not over. And besides from the Button he might be a little wider as well.... Your giving up too easy son, have some coconuts :) having two Aces on the board statistically makes it less likely he is holding an Ace. I'm not saying he doesn't have it but it's less likely. Use the information to your advantage.
 
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swingro said:
Bad choice IMO. Is he calling a shove here without an Ace? What normal human would do that? It is a 3 bet pot. If you bet and he calls then the hand is over.
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This ^^^ is what I would do, bet for information.
 
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Aces2w1n said:
His 3bet is 9% it's not over. And besides from the Button he might be a little wider as well.... Your giving up too easy son, have some coconuts :) having two Aces on the board statistically makes it less likely he is holding an Ace. I'm not saying he doesn't have it but it's less likely. Use the information to your advantage.
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Am I not reading the first post the right way? His 3-bet is 0 although it is only over 11 hands. His PFR is 9%. He only raised once and played 2 hands. It is not about coconuts.
Maybe you did not see that the CO folded.CO had 9% 3bet. The BTN called. His decent range is suited connectors, decent suited aces, pocket pairs, AKo, AQo.
I think we should bet to steal the pot as a semibluff but if he calls we can reduce his range to A10s+, AQo+, 66, suited heart connectors witch is less than half. Tight players at this stakes play fit or fold.

PS. If we bet 60% of the pot here I think we make profit on the long run.
 
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swingro said:
He has 11 hands on him. We must assume he is an average reg that will call with what bad regs do .
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my bad, yup only just saw that. so hes calling like the bulk of his opening range. in this case, i still bet flop always. i will then always check the turn if he calls. what i do next will be based on villains;

-fold flop Cbet
-bet vs missed Cbet on the turn
-aggression frequency in general, with particular focus on the river


pretty much use the above to see how often im going to have a tough time OTR if i check/call turn, i feel like most players are bad and will check riv back almost always without an ace. so yeah, this one im basing massively on reads, but probably stationing because i feel like his call range pre IP is gunna be stupid wide, and me made up of a lot of pocket pairs that wont fold flop. Cbetting about 65% OTF too expecting lots and lots of folds (omg this guy 3b, he MUST have AK), but still expected to get value from 77+ and hearts
 
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JCgrind said:
my bad, yup only just saw that. so hes calling like the bulk of his opening range. in this case, i still bet flop always. i will then always check the turn if he calls. what i do next will be based on villains;

-fold flop Cbet
-bet vs missed Cbet on the turn
-aggression frequency in general, with particular focus on the river


pretty much use the above to see how often im going to have a tough time OTR if i check/call turn, i feel like most players are bad and will check riv back almost always without an ace. so yeah, this one im basing massively on reads, but probably stationing because i feel like his call range pre IP is gunna be stupid wide, and me made up of a lot of pocket pairs that wont fold flop. Cbetting about 65% OTF too expecting lots and lots of folds (omg this guy 3b, he MUST have AK), but still expected to get value from 77+ and hearts
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So in other words bet flop and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible.
 
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swingro said:
Am I not reading the first post the right way? His 3-bet is 0 although it is only over 11 hands. His PFR is 9%. He only raised once and played 2 hands. It is not about coconuts.
Maybe you did not see that the CO folded.CO had 9% 3bet. The BTN called. His decent range is suited connectors, decent suited aces, pocket pairs, AKo, AQo.
I think we should bet to steal the pot as a semibluff but if he calls we can reduce his range to A10s+, AQo+, 66, suited heart connectors witch is less than half. Tight players at this stakes play fit or fold.

PS. If we bet 60% of the pot here I think we make profit on the long run.
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I post when i'm too tired to play poker :)... I must've had dyslexia.
Semibluff is great i'm all up for that and perhaps a double barrel because some people take a lil bit more encouragement to fold. A lot of people call and hope to shutdown we have a strong hand. Perhaps we could cancel out his Ace rag hands? Perhaps we can get him off those type of hands but I guess it's hard without the reads.

In my stats these days I've added what the percentage my opponent folds the turn and river bets.
 
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Aces2w1n said:
I post when i'm too tired to play poker :)... I must've had dyslexia.
Semibluff is great i'm all up for that and perhaps a double barrel because some people take a lil bit more encouragement to fold. A lot of people call and hope to shutdown we have a strong hand. Perhaps we could cancel out his Ace rag hands? Perhaps we can get him off those type of hands but I guess it's hard without the reads.

In my stats these days I've added what the percentage my opponent folds the turn and river bets.
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Do not double barrel in 3-bet pots unless you are willing to go all the way. On the turn there will be ~70BB down. It is great when you have the best hand because you can bet like 25 BB and than shove the river. But here you need to decide if you wanna put all your money in the middle or let it go.
 
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i would cbet there he is unlikely to have an ace why calling a raise and a 3bet with a weak ace, if he had a big ace he would 3bet preflop. he is set mining there. so just bet it and take it.
 
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