€20 NLHE 6-max: Facing a River Overbet Shove ?

€20 NLHE 6-max: Facing a River Overbet Shove ?

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
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Hero (SB): $20.10 (100.5 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
CO: $20.88 (104.4 bb) Hands:94 VPIP:32 PFR:26 AG:1.6 3B:7.7 F3B:50 ATS:47 FvsRST:60
BTN: $25.31 (126.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A
CO raises to $0.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.60, BB folds, CO calls $1.10

Flop: ($3.40) 9 Q T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($3.40) A (2 players)
Hero bets $2.20, CO calls $2.20

River: ($7.80) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $17.08 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.30 and is all-in

I will reveal the results later and i will explain why i played the hand this way but i want to know your thoughts on the line i took, what would you do in my spot, what do you think he could have and is the call good or bad ?

Feels like we're beat here. I would like to hear the reasons, but I would have thrown that hand away pre-flop.

i like the bet on the turn... its so so so important

shove doesnt make sense if he had flush it would be cheaper and he didnt bet the draw like this villain should

it loooks like a bad bluff

looks like he has kj if anything

looks like kj kt .. whiffed draw or kk spazzing out since we checked and show weakness

if he noticed u checking flop... he could have a set of 3s

wait if opponent is aggro and checks that flop.. hes either whiffed or flopped a monster?

Villain never has KJ, and villain playing a flush this way is totally legit.

When you don't cbet, you tell villain that you have AT/A9/KQ type hands that have SD value but don't want to play a big pot. Makes total sense to take the free card with a draw instead of trying to 2-3 barrel you off of a pair.

A set or straight on the flop needs to just cram the money in. Too many cards either make a set or straight second best, or kill their action. And since villain has decent stats, I wouldn't assume he'd do something retarded like playing KJ or TT this way.

Maybe he turned JT or something like that into a bluff, but I wouldn't think you're getting odds to look him up.

Aces2w1n said:

i like the bet on the turn... its so so so important

shove doesnt make sense if he had flush it would be cheaper and he didnt bet the draw like this villain should

it loooks like a bad bluff

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You are spot on here.
Here is my thought procces on every street:

1. Preflop with 4 players with such an aggresive player stealing whenever with whatever my range is hugely ahead of his and a 3bet or call is good but i like 3bet cause i have more options to win the pot pre or post flop and i have a blocker to his Ax type hands.

2. FLOP. I am a cbet of about 70-75% over 20k hands so i am cbeting very often on most board even in a 3bet pot. The reason i checked here is becouse this board nails his range and there are no better hands that could fold here. I am not getting him of of even something like AK AJ AT. So cbeting is out of the option and i thought about check raising for a second but i was prepared to give here and check fold.

3.TURN I am really surprised to see him check that flop unless he really had some pairs bellow nine or some SD value type hand or some monster like KJ which makes a lot of sense. So when an ace hits the turn i am betting here for value if he did actually slowplayed his straight and flush draws like AK AJ and if he had something like 88 he might make a cry call. If i got raised here i fold.

4.RIVER
Once he calls i am assuming he cant really have KJ here unles its KsJs cause he would raise the turn and try to get the money in on the riv whether if he calls the turn its going to be hard for him to get all the money in with such a small pot. If he had a FD he would raise at least at one point during the hand given his aggresion. So i checked becouse i dont think i am getting value from much worse and if i get raised i am screwed. The 3flush fills when an 3 of spades hits and its a perfect card for him to make some bluffs even though it doesnt makes sense as i said. So i was in a check call mentallity.
AAAAND he overbet jams. It took me 3 seconds to say to myself this deosnt makes any sence so i called.

He shows up with QJo.
Still cant believe he checked that back on the flop.

c9h13no3 said:

Villain never has KJ, and villain playing a flush this way is totally legit.

When you don't cbet, you tell villain that you have AT/A9/KQ type hands that have SD value but don't want to play a big pot. Makes total sense to take the free card with a draw instead of trying to 2-3 barrel you off of a pair.

A set or straight on the flop needs to just cram the money in. Too many cards either make a set or straight second best, or kill their action. And since villain has decent stats, I wouldn't assume he'd do something retarded like playing KJ or TT this way.

Maybe he turned JT or something like that into a bluff, but I wouldn't think you're getting odds to look him up.

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I am with you with everything except the FD. This guy will play his FD aggresively sometime during the hand unless he has something like 4s5s 5s6s and does he really calle a 3bet with those ?
7s6s 8s7s and every other straight gutshot FD either bets the flop or raises the turn.

Also when he jams the riv his range is really polarized. He is either bluffing or has a flush. He never has a KJ straight or a set. And even if he had a flush why would he bet so large ? Shouldnt he go for about 1/2 or 2/3 for value? I am just not convinced and i would have to check within poker stove but with the range i assigned i think i actually have the odds to call here.

As i wrote in my last comment he showed up with QJo.

Aces2w1n said:

if he noticed u checking flop... he could have a set of 3s

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No way he calls the turn bet with 33.

razzor94 said:

No way he calls the turn bet with 33.

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i was prolly more recognizing a good spot to shove with a set of 3s

a spot that looks like a bad bluff when shoved... means we will get called down lighter

Aces2w1n said:

i was prolly more recognizing a good spot to shove with a set of 3s

a spot that looks like a bad bluff when shoved... means we will get called down lighter

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I understand what you are saying and it makes sense but i dont think this guy can even think that way. If he were to shove the set of 3s it would be cause he thinks OMG i have a set

Still given the action i had to rule it out on the riv.

Cry and fold?
Fold and cry?

razzor94 said:

I understand what you are saying and it makes sense but i dont think this guy can even think that way. If he were to shove the set of 3s it would be cause he thinks OMG i have a set

Still given the action i had to rule it out on the riv.

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im alwayz looking hehe