€20 NLHE 6-max: Check/raised small overpair

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€20 NL HE 6-max: Check/raised small overpair

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 41/22/2.17

€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem
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4 Players
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CO Hero (€32.02)
BTN erbiagio (€7.31)
SB pezasesino (€24.70)
BB patttan (€21.10)

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 4 players) Hero is CO 6:diamond: 6:club:
Hero raises to €0.70, erbiagio calls €0.70, 1 fold, patttan calls €0.50

Flop: 4:heart: 5:spade: 2:heart: (€2.20, 3 players)
patttan checks, Hero bets €2.20, erbiagio folds, patttan raises to €5.50, Hero ????
 
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I fold here.

There is like no good turn card in the deck for you. Also villain will have sick equity against you with almost any kind of hand that he's c/ring with. Flush draws all have overcards and A-high flush draws also have gutshots. Bigger pairs have you crushed. If you're ever ahead, you'll rarely get to showdown without doing a lot of guess work as to whether you're good or not.
 
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Don't make such a huge bet on the flop. When I see a bet like I see someone sitting in their chair crossing their fingers that I fold. If I'm patttan I'm going to raise your flop bet with any, and I mean ANY hand.

As played I probably call, but only because I have position. I would re-evaluate on the turn depending on what card comes off. I also think that he may show up with a set here often enough to (like pola said) just fold here and not worry about it. It would depend on your read on the villan and his 3bet stats.
 
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Wes747 said:
Don't make such a huge bet on the flop. When I see a bet like I see someone sitting in their chair crossing their fingers that I fold. If I'm patttan I'm going to raise your flop bet with any, and I mean ANY hand.

As played I probably call, but only because I have position. I would re-evaluate on the turn depending on what card comes off. I also think that he may show up with a set here often enough to (like pola said) just fold here and not worry about it. It would depend on your read on the villan and his 3bet stats.
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I did fold. Looks as if it was the right play.

As for the bet-size, I don't know what to say, this is 20NL pot-size bets/cbets work there, either for bluffing or value. I've been sizing a bit less - 3/4th usually last few days, but I don't think that's an issue at this level
 
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polak nailed it.

And as for bet size are they more likely to call or fold? If they're gonna call too much why not make value bets a bit smaller? Although in this case this sizing is good no matter what imo.
 
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It's a tricky spot and villain obviously isn't giving you credit. No one here would really give you credit for anything strong, I'd probably be inclined to do exactly what villain did here. You have to think about your perceived range and how that matches up with the board. Villain could easily see your bet as an irresponsible c-bet since you're not repping anything.

Folding avoids a potentially difficult situation, but if you have confidence in your post flop play and got some reads on villain I could very well call here. It's also a 4 person game...It's high variance.
 
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bubonicplay said:
polak nailed it.

And as for bet size are they more likely to call or fold? If they're gonna call too much why not make value bets a bit smaller? Although in this case this sizing is good no matter what imo.
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Yep, he did nail it. I don't understand your value bet comment though.

If they are calling too much with draws etc. shouldn't I bet the biggest size that will get calls, so they'll lose more money drawing over time (and by consequence, I'll win more) since they'll miss most of their draws/marginal hands?
 
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BenLZ said:
It's a tricky spot and villain obviously isn't giving you credit. No one here would really give you credit for anything strong, I'd probably be inclined to do exactly what villain did here. You have to think about your perceived range and how that matches up with the board. Villain could easily see your bet as an irresponsible c-bet since you're not repping anything.

Folding avoids a potentially difficult situation, but if you have confidence in your post flop play and got some reads on villain I could very well call here. It's also a 4 person game...It's high variance.
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I doubt a 41/22 would think in those termsm but yes sometimes my cbets are out of place.

I'm trying to avoid calling in these situations without reads that the player is bluffy, I did get burned quite a few times assuming that. Big bluffs are not that uncommon but on the rare side of things at 20NL, at least from my observations (excluding maniacal players that do that to the extreme, but this guy hadn't shown that)
 
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ComplexPlaya said:
Yep, he did nail it. I don't understand your value bet comment though.

If they are calling too much with draws etc. shouldn't I bet the biggest size that will get calls, so they'll lose more money drawing over time (and by consequence, I'll win more) since they'll miss most of their draws/marginal hands?
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yeah in my post I said I like this bet size with this hand on this board no matter what, just that on different dry boards I'm a fan of betting less with all hands if opponents are good and just less with bluffs or vbets depending on their tendencies if they're bad.
 
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He can have TT,99,88...
and he can have trips
slowplayed AA or KK
 
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