€20 NLHE 6-max: Call this 3bet shove ?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 65/24/2

Villain is a maniac, bluffing left and right, shoving river with air etc. 16% PF 3-bet, haven't seen him stack off pre-flop though, or 3bet before. +/- EV to call this ?

Hero (MP): €42.33
CO: €38.73
BTN: €20.00
SB: €21.25
BB: €15.26
UTG: €4.20

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has A:club: K:spade:

fold, Hero raises to €1.20, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to €15.26 and is all-in, Hero ????
 
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Calling this 100% Most open shoves, 3 bet shoves from maniacs seem to be small pairs, AJ type hands which is a range that we should be super happy to get this in with. Speaking from FR experience btw...
 
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I don't think he has AA or KK. Guys like this tend to bet smaller when they have a monster.

But, you are only in very nice shape with A10-AQ (and it’s possible he has AK also). Up against even a pocket pair, you are an underdog, so I might prefer to pick a better spot later. Depends on if you wanna take the risk.

I put him on a hand like pocket 10s.

If you had pocket 10s in this situation, facing an all in shove from aggressive villain on blinds, then it’s a call for me. With AK… I think twice.


Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 65/24/2

Villain is a maniac, bluffing left and right, shoving river with air etc. 16% PF 3-bet, haven't seen him stack off pre-flop though, or 3bet before. +/- EV to call this ?

Hero (MP): €42.33
CO: €38.73
BTN: €20.00
SB: €21.25
BB: €15.26
UTG: €4.20

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (€0.30) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to €1.20, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to €15.26 and is all-in, Hero ????
 
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Don't Pass

Looks like its that time to get it in there. AK really only fears AA and KK. You are a big dog against AA and will still do not bad against KK. Highly doubt he would have just shoved those anyway.
Against the smaller pairs you are only a slight dog, and are a favorite against any unpaired hand. Don't pass up this oppourtunity...LizaBuv
 
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I don't think he has AA or KK. Guys like this tend to bet smaller when they have a monster.

But, you are only in very nice shape with A10-AQ (and it’s possible he has AK also). Up against even a pocket pair, you are an underdog, so I might prefer to pick a better spot later. Depends on if you wanna take the risk.

I put him on a hand like pocket 10s.

If you had pocket 10s in this situation, facing an all in shove from aggressive villain on blinds, then it’s a call for me. With AK… I think twice.

There is no better spot in cash games. That is the fallacy. If I'm even slighty ahead of his range it's a call (or behind with the dead money making up for it). That's all there is to it :)
 
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I don't think he has AA or KK. Guys like this tend to bet smaller when they have a monster.

But, you are only in very nice shape with A10-AQ (and it’s possible he has AK also). Up against even a pocket pair, you are an underdog, so I might prefer to pick a better spot later. Depends on if you wanna take the risk.

I put him on a hand like pocket 10s.

If you had pocket 10s in this situation, facing an all in shove from aggressive villain on blinds, then it’s a call for me. With AK… I think twice.


You are not thinking about this correctly. Here are some pokerstove examples against a very tight range (especially in this situation), first with AK and then TT.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.105% 40.29% 08.81% 33115467 7244454.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 50.895% 42.08% 08.81% 34586217 7244454.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }



equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.989% 41.98% 01.01% 254434368 6145524.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 57.011% 56.00% 01.01% 339430200 6145524.00 { 99+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }


Also a great post about getting AK in preflop. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/overplaying-a-k-83363/post-531624.html

As complex playa said, any time that we are slight favourites against villains range we should be getting our money in the middle. Sure we may see the top of villains range when he turns over AA but we know that for every time he shows up with AA him or another maniac will show up with worse a lot more often.
 
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