$20 NLHE 6-max: Assume implied odds here or not

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$20 NL HE 6-max: Assume implied odds here or not

Just 12 hands on V, but had a note on him that he bluffed flop and turn with nothing on a pot someone else raised. Looked fishy as well obv. Probably that's why I called the flop raise.

Entraction - €0.20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: €16.05
Hero (INVALID POS): €33.94
SB: €36.63
UTG: €7.86
CO: €40.55

Hero posts SB €0.10, SB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has Q:diamond: K:diamond:

fold, fold, BTN calls €0.20, Hero raises to €1.00, SB calls €0.80, fold

Flop: (€2.20, 2 players) 8:heart: A:heart: 5:diamond:
Hero bets €1.65, SB raises to €3.30, Hero calls €1.65

Turn: (€8.80, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero checks, SB bets €8.80, Hero ???

So we're 4:1 on the flush, pot odds give us 2:1. Do you call here assuming if the flush hits we can get more off villain to make up the odds, or easy fold?
 
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When the flush hits, you need to make $17.60 to break even. Villain has $20.84 in his stack left, so its not like this is ever gonna be an awesome play. If he bluffs a lot, then you're obviously going to have even less implied odds (as your opponent usually won't have anything to pay you off with).

Why the hell did you call the flop?
 
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Fold the flop. Use your read when you've either got showdown value or useful outs (the K and Q may well be live, but playing either pair profitably is unlikely).

Fold the turn. We need him to call a river shove most of the time and he wont.
 
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The hand did work out, but I thought I played it -EV, wanted other opinions on that.

Yeah flop call was because of the bluff read, I like the showdown value statement though, against that type I'll try to never call with air, call with something and re-bluff with air should be good.
 
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