€20 NLHE 6-max: $ : AA in Big Pot - what to do on the turn?

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€20 NL HE 6-max: $ : AA in Big Pot - what to do on the turn?

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 18/14/39

€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem
Entraction
6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG crippled (€20)
UTG+1 Hero (€33.39)
CO Raven31 (€35.78)
BTN sterg (€10.78)
SB conca81 (€37.74)
BB Petomi (€22)

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A A
1 fold, Hero raises to €0.70, Raven31 raises to €2.80, 3 folds, Hero calls €2.10

Flop: Q 2 A (€5.90, 2 players)
Hero checks, Raven31 bets €4.42, Hero calls €4.42

Turn: 10 (€14.74, 2 players)
Hero ??????
 
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Being OOP, I get it in 4bet/shove preflop.

On the flop I check raise AI. The board is scary, any spade kills your action on the turn. Get it in on the flop and be happy.
 
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Being OOP, I get it in 4bet/shove preflop.

On the flop I check raise AI. The board is scary, any spade kills your action on the turn. Get it in on the flop and be happy.

Thanks for the reply. The reason I didn't shove preflop is because he was so tight, had a fold to 3-bet ratio of 94% (and I have almost 500 hands on him) so I wanted to get more value thinking he'll fold (I still think he would have). Is that still wrong you think?

You mayb e right about flop actions, waiting for other's opinions too...
 
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Thats a really high fold to 3bet % but he's not the PFR, he's the 3 bettor therefore that stat becomes a little bit irrelevant imo. You opened in MP so I don't think he's 3betting you light here very often but your reasoning is perfectly logical.
 
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Good, thanks. I just want to learn to maximize value from my monster hands, I feel like I don't most times.

I'll reveal the continuation of the hand after some more answers...if you're curious, that is!

Edit : How much is a reasonable shove/4bet pre flop do you think, in order to most likely get a call from Villain?
 
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When a tight player reraises you, you have to assume he has a very big hand...and since tight players wait for their big hands, you have to assume he's not folding QQ+/AK very often --it's a fairly big reraise, too. Definitely 4-bet pre to be able to get it in easier postflop or induce a 5-bet shove. For him to lead into you on this board, he either has a set of Queens or a big Ace and is drawing just about dead, or he has a big spade and is drawing live -- he's not folding any of these hands in a 3-bet pot because he won't give you credit for a flush or a set of Aces. Check-raise this flop.

Notice what your slowplay has done to the pot...you have a huge hand, he apparently has a big hand, there are a lot of bad cards that can come and we still have a stack to pot ratio of 2-1 on the turn. The title is misleading -- this pot isn't nearly big enough for your hand.
 
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When a tight player reraises you, you have to assume he has a very big hand...and since tight players wait for their big hands, you have to assume he's not folding QQ+/AK very often --it's a fairly big reraise, too. Definitely 4-bet pre to be able to get it in easier postflop or induce a 5-bet shove. For him to lead into you on this board, he either has a set of Queens or a big Ace and is drawing just about dead, or he has a big spade and is drawing live -- he's not folding any of these hands in a 3-bet pot because he won't give you credit for a flush or a set of Aces. Check-raise this flop.

Notice what your slowplay has done to the pot...you have a huge hand, he apparently has a big hand, there are a lot of bad cards that can come and we still have a stack to pot ratio of 2-1 on the turn. The title is misleading -- this pot isn't nearly big enough for your hand.

Duely noted, thank you. Problem is I've had many TAG's fold to shove even when they are the 3-bettors, so I didn't know what to do about big hands anymore :)

What amount was a proper 4-bet in your opinion?
 
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I'd probably go something like 7ish. I don't think it matters much because, in this situation, I think no matter what you make it, villain is probably either shoving or folding anyways.
 
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Here's the full hand, decent result I think, though he still had 13 euros in his pocket at the end (don't think he would've called all in, but can't be sure)

€0.10/€0.20 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG crippled (€20)
UTG+1 Hero (€33.39)
CO Raven31 (€35.78)
BTN sterg (€10.78)
SB conca81 (€37.74)
BB Petomi (€22)

Pre-Flop: (€0.30, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1 A:club: A:diamond:
1 fold, Hero raises to €0.70, Raven31 raises to €2.80, 3 folds, Hero calls €2.10

Flop: Q:spade: 2:spade: A:spade: (€5.90, 2 players)
Hero checks, Raven31 bets €4.42, Hero calls €4.42

Turn: 10:diamond: (€14.74, 2 players)
Hero checks, Raven31 checks

River: 6:club: (€14.74, 2 players)
Hero bets €15, Raven31 calls €15

Final Pot: €44.74
Hero shows three of a kind Aces
A:club: A:diamond:
Raven31 shows
Q:heart: A:heart:

Hero wins €42.54 (net +€20.32)

Raven31 lost €22.22
 
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yeah, he has top two and you should have had his stack. Raise the flop and stacks go in on the turn. Why did you not bet the turn? The board is starting to get seriously nasty and you need to get value while you can (and while you're ahead). as played, might as well shove this river and make it look like a bluff.
 
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yeah, he has top two and you should have had his stack. Raise the flop and stacks go in on the turn. Why did you not bet the turn? The board is starting to get seriously nasty and you need to get value while you can (and while you're ahead). as played, might as well shove this river and make it look like a bluff.

Can't tell you why...because I get the urge to 'trap' people with huge hands but I'll try to work on it. Because I thought he would bet the turn as well. But know I know better!
 
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