$20 NLHE 6-max: 16nl: KK raised on flop.

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 58/13/2

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $25.53
CO: $16.81
BTN: $16.00
Hero (SB): $16.00
BB: $16.00

Hero posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has K:club: K:spade:

UTG raises to $0.40, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.28, fold, UTG calls $0.88

Flop: ($2.72, 2 players) 6:spade: 8:diamond: Q:club:
Hero bets $1.60, UTG raises to $3.20, Hero calls $1.60

Turn: ($9.12, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.40, Hero calls $4.40

River: ($17.92, 2 players) A:heart:
Hero checks, UTG bets $8.08, Hero ??

Should we get this in on the flop?

Based on preflop raise/call and flop raise, I guess he could have (or represents) some kind of AQ or a PP that made a set? In that case you either reraise or fold the flop depending on any reads you might have.

people don't 2.5x AQ, only hand that makes sense is 88 but 6 max is retarded so for some reason he'll have an A.

its probably a fold

What would AQ do in UTG position? I thought limping is out but AQ is too good to just fold, no?

He means they'll 3x+

OMGITSOVER9K said:

people don't 2.5x AQ, only hand that makes sense is 88 but 6 max is retarded so for some reason he'll have an A.

its probably a fold

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What about the flop? Flat or raise?

youregoodmate said:

Should we get this in on the flop?

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Is this even debatable given :

youregoodmate said:

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 58/13/2

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Seriously, jam that shit.

youregoodmate said:

What about the flop? Flat or raise?

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Edit: just seen stats GII vs this guy 1000000%

Ducky7 said:

Edit: just seen stats GII vs this guy 1000000%

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Thank god you edited that, cauise I was about to track you down and slap you.

Yeah I called to let him bluff/ bet weaker Q's knowing we would get it in either way. Should have just jammed flop though.

I would have shipped flop against this dude.

Im definitely shipping this flop with his stats hes probably calling even with a mid Q..

I would probably stack on flop and not feel sorry for myself if he flopped better because I believe he stack with a Q here a lot of the time.

the only problem with shipping it in on the flop would be when he hit possibly his A on the river could create a bigger loss. but a lot has to do with any reads you might have as well like previously said.

gotchips said:

the only problem with shipping it in on the flop would be when he hit possibly his A on the river could create a bigger loss. but a lot has to do with any reads you might have as well like previously said.

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yeh this might be a problem, he could catch up and win a huge pot :'(

acky100 said:

yeh this might be a problem, he could catch up and win a huge pot :'(

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Actually I've been thinking about this for a while now. Shouldnt we only be playing pots when villain is drawing dead?

Eureeka.... I've solved variance. :icon_chee

^ yep, youre finally getting it! straight flushes and nut flushes are pretty good, top sets on rainbow boards are usually fine but you can still lose with them so just be careful

acky100 said:

^ yep, youre finally getting it! straight flushes and nut flushes are pretty good, top sets on rainbow boards are usually fine but you can still lose with them so just be careful

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yeah when you have straight flushes you should just call with them on the river right Arran?!?!

lolol, reduces variance by calling though...

58/13 raises and we 3x with KK? 3bet huge against this guy.

Also just +1 to stacking flop. Slam dunk never fold, and don't rely on him bluffing. Huge fish tend to be more depolarized here (and tend obviously to be more call-happy than bluff-happy), just raising TT or A8 or some draw to 'end the hand' then not being able to fold once you click it back or shove or whatever.

gotchips said:

the only problem with shipping it in on the flop would be when he hit possibly his A on the river could create a bigger loss. but a lot has to do with any reads you might have as well like previously said.

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Yeah so we should just always avoid big pots so we don't lose them. Actually a better way to never risk money is to just not play poker.

gotchips said:

the only problem with shipping it in on the flop would be when he hit possibly his A on the river could create a bigger loss. but a lot has to do with any reads you might have as well like previously said.

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Gold

gotchips said:

the only problem with shipping it in on the flop would be when he hit possibly his A on the river could create a bigger loss. but a lot has to do with any reads you might have as well like previously said.

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Lol He could get trips oon the river with 82 Sorry bout the irony man but could not help it. This is the essence of poker. Taking the right or the wrong decision. It does not matter what he could catch. We are not interested in the actual result . It is about taking the right decision. Math will do the rest on the long run.

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I would probably stack on flop and not feel sorry for myself if he flopped better because I believe he stack with a Q here a lot of the time.

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+1. If he flops better it is just a cooler.

I min 3bet the flop. I feel we keep more of villains range with us min 3betting then jamming small than outright jamming and there are 0 turn cards that will make me deviate from this plan and only 3 which may make villain fold hands he may have stacked. Just me nit picking both are fine plays.

youregoodmate said:

Yeah I called to let him bluff/ bet weaker Q's knowing we would get it in either way. Should have just jammed flop though.

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Villains main leak is calling too much, we've nothing to suggest he's going to raise + triple barrel his air. Add to this that fish often have merged raising ranges with tons of weirdly played top pair weak kickers/underpairs and so on. These sort of hands will not only checkback but are vulnerable enough to be scared off.

Even if we had reads that this guy was a manic bluffer I'd use something much less strong than KK to catch bluffs as KK absolutly violates his value range.