$2 PLO Full Ring: PLO 5 Difficult call on river, Folding Ok?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 60/30/1.6

Had a tough time laying this one down, part of me really wanted to call. Based on my opponent being loose and fairly aggressive 60/30; How many of you would have called. Or for that matter did anything different leading up to the river.

Poker Stars - $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha (8 players)
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SB: $6.11
BB: $2.69
UTG Hero: $5
MP: $1.50
MP+1: $1.37
MP+2: $2.31
CO: $1
BTN: $5.10
Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG and dealt :8c4: :ac4: :kc4: :3d4:
Hero calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, MP+1 calls $0.02, MP+2 calls $0.02, 2 folds, SB raises $0.07, BB calls $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, MP calls $0.06, MP+1 calls $0.06, MP+2 calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.48) :ks4: :jc4: :6c4: (6 players)
SB bets $0.46, BB folds, Hero raises $0.92, 3 folds, SB calls $0.46
Turn: ($2.32) :ks4: :jc4: :6c4: :5h4: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($2.32) :ks4: :jc4: :6c4: :5h4: :9d4: (2 players)
SB bets $2.21, Hero folds, SB returned $2.21

Used up my time bank on this one.
 
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Fold pre.

Not sure what your goal on the flop is, you can't be raising for value because TPTK in Omaha is not that good, and if you're raising as a semi-bluff you really haven't accomplished anything by min-raising, especially since your opponent has shown some pretty enormous strength by raising on top of four limpers, then leading with a pot sized bet on the flop (even though he's a 60/30).

Don't think I could ever call the river.
 
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I'm actually seeing a flop often with this hand even out of position at 2PLO because given that everyone else limp/called it seems like the table you were at is full of calling stations that will pay you off with things like lesser flushes, bottom two pair, or trips against your boats.

I'm curious about your reasoning for raising this flop though. cjatud2012 covered it pretty well; it doesn't work as a value bet and is too small to be an effective semi-bluff. If it was to induce him to check the turn over to you so you could see a river card cheaply it worked well... but for any other reason I either fold, smooth call, or raise pot.

As played, I'm almost never calling this river with TPTK, ESPECIALLY in full ring PLO. The only thing you beat is basically complete air. There are so many combinations in villain's extremely wide range that have you beat on the river: two straight combinations, any two pair, any set.

If villain is actually pot-size bluffing like this out of position often, just wait for a good spot and watch the chips see-saw back over to you.
 
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cjatud2012 said:
Fold pre.
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+1. Playing out of position in PLO sucks.

Also, better to play PLO 5-6 handed. FR PLO almost always ends up being a shovefest.

Only raise the flop here if you plan to continue firing on the turn. Min raising flop and checking back turn makes you look super weak (Also making your hand transparent). Any non club river and Villain is gonna fire.

So, basically instafold river.

And if I had to put him on a hand, it'd be QTxx (PLO fish like to mash the pot button upon making the nuts).
 
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mrmonkey said:
I'm actually seeing a flop often with this hand even out of position at 2PLO because given that everyone else limp/called it seems like the table you were at is full of calling stations that will pay you off with things like lesser flushes, bottom two pair, or trips against your boats.

I'm curious about your reasoning for raising this flop though. cjatud2012 covered it pretty well; it doesn't work as a value bet and is too small to be an effective semi-bluff. If it was to induce him to check the turn over to you so you could see a river card cheaply it worked well... but for any other reason I either fold, smooth call, or raise pot.

As played, I'm almost never calling this river with TPTK, ESPECIALLY in full ring PLO. The only thing you beat is basically complete air. There are so many combinations in villain's extremely wide range that have you beat on the river: two straight combinations, any two pair, any set.

If villain is actually pot-size bluffing like this out of position often, just wait for a good spot and watch the chips see-saw back over to you.
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No, you never play this hand unless you have the intent of raising/ taking down most flops in position. OOP is like death.


I dont mind the raise on the flop but do it with some gumption next time and shove the turn when raising flop.
 
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marginal said:
No, you never play this hand unless you have the intent of raising/ taking down most flops in position. OOP is like death.


I dont mind the raise on the flop but do it with some gumption next time and shove the turn when raising flop.
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Don't we have quite a bit of equity with this hand though when there are 4-5 limp/calling loose passives out there ready to pay us off with stacks when we hit?

I typically like to see a lot of flops when holding Axxx ss at these stakes, even OOP simply because there are so many fish that will pay you off with bad hands. Against a table where I feel the opponents are stronger, I tighten up considerably OOP and this hand hits the muck super fast.
 
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Dawg, you know what you are describing there

a leak
 
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haha, just one more
Leaks
 
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hmmm.... will have to examine it further. i haven't activated my pt3 omaha trial yet, but when i do i'll definitely look over these hands.
 
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