$2 PLHE Full Ring: Illogical play from a villain on the turn

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MP: $1.38
CO: $5.23
BTN: $1.55
SB: $1.92
BB: $3.14
Hero (UTG): $3.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with K :club: K :heart:
Hero raises to $0.07, 1 fold, CO calls $0.07, 2 folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) 3 :diamond: T :club: 4 :spade: (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22, BB folds

Turn: ($0.66) 6 :heart: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.66, CO raises to $1.32, Hero calls $0.66

River: ($3.30) 4 :heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks


Villain is 26 / 16 / 2.3 (31 hands)

I thought that with a 66 hand he wouldn't stick around for so long (heads up against max raiser) and he doesn't have AA or he would raise preflop. TT was the most scary hand I could put him on, and it would be logical for him to allow me to build the pot before firing, except then he would have waited the river, no? So I was confused but very unwilling to fold against what might be a bluff.

1. Need general review of the hand. Raise the turn/bet the river/fold turn or as played?
2. Any big difference between pot limit and no limit, except that in pot limit it pays to build the pot while you are ahead?
 
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Your sizing is horrible, you bet pot on flop/turn were the board is so dry, you play so face up and don't price in dominating hands. 55% on both streets is better.
As played river is fine but he's prob just pot controlling your obv overpair on turn so he doesn't get a shove from you when the river hits and doesn't no we're he stands with his 10x,medium pp.
 
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Thanks for the reply.

I am not sure I understand your answer, I mean "dominating hands" would be sets, correct? If he wants to hide a set then best is to call flop and turn and then shove the river since my overpair is then dead meat unless a Broadway card hits and then he has a difficult decision since I might have a better set.

I agree I was super obvious, but wherever I look people advise that fancy play and slowplay in micros is just shedding value since people love calling so much. I am gonna run into sets occasionally but other times I will get calls...

If he has a Tx then he should fold since if I am jamming so much it pretty much has to be JJ+, no?

Edit: I am not sure what I would have done if he jammed the river, luckily he didn't. Probably I would have had to fold, right?
 
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Bet sizing is bad on this dry board as stated earlier. And form my experience no one raises the turn at micros unless they have the goods.

I thinik you played it ok excpet fdor the sizing. But, this makes it bad since your inflating the pot and likely playing for stacks in the river since you have so much in the pot already.

And i think he meant to say dominated hands.
 
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I mean you don't price in hands that your dominating.i.e your losing loads of value.
Betting appropriate bet sizes is not fancy play, it's just correct, you want to get the most value in the long run right. So bet accordingly.
The times you run into sets your going to get stacked because of your sizing and your going to lose all value from worse,why, because of your sizing, so either way your losing 'value', in the long run, meaning its incorrect.

Why do you want folds from 10x when we have them dominated, don't say you don't because from your bet sizing that's what your expecting.
If your calling, turn then we call river and suck up the times were beat, as we don't have much f/e from our sizing beforehand.
 
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OK, I think I am getting what you are saying with this board - hands that are getting dominated fold to pot sized bet and I only get calls from dangerous hands.

Putting pot sized bets is OK in which cases? When I want to make draws unprofitable ("wet" boards)?
 
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OK, I think I am getting what you are saying with this board - hands that are getting dominated fold to pot sized bet and I only get calls from dangerous hands.

Putting pot sized bets is OK in which cases? When I want to make draws unprofitable ("wet" boards)?

I don't think I've ever potted a hand throughout my cash game bar rivers, We can bet 80% on wet boards, and 50% on extremely dry boards... Potting is best left to PLO.
 
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Did you play these low level micros?

I think 80% and 100% of pot are both unprofitable for draws, in which case calling 100% is worse mistake than calling 80% of the pot and people here don't really know the difference. If they suddenly raise river (which is rarely a bluff at these stakes) we can fold every time and then the 20% difference is pure profit.

I am not countering you out of spite, just really trying to figure out the correct play here.
 
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Yes, but a tiny sample, played/started from 5nl...have a pretty good understanding if how these nano stakes work.

Draws are only apart of villains range in any hand and especially in a hand like this its almost non applicable for him to have a draw. Of course villains will notice the difference between 80 and 100, it looks so much stronger.
Therefore we lose all value as I said from sdv hands lik pp 10x which is a lot bigger proportion of villains entire range.
 
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OK, I think I can reveal what happened now.

He holds 55.

I have zero idea why the sudden raise on the turn, more logical would be to call to buy the last card as cheaply as possible and just fold if he misses (would be much cheaper than as played and probably more profitable if he hits).

P.S. Yes, he did actually chase a runner runner straight or a possible set against pot sized bets :D that is how we roll at Lower Microville.

"I thought that with a 66 hand he wouldn't stick around for so long" - Laughable logic there :)
 
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OK, I think I can reveal what happened now.

He holds 55.

I have zero idea why the sudden raise on the turn, more logical would be to call to buy the last card as cheaply as possible and just fold if he misses (would be much cheaper than as played and probably more profitable if he hits).

P.S. Yes, he did actually chase a runner runner straight or a possible set against pot sized bets :D that is how we roll at Lower Microville.

"I thought that with a 66 hand he wouldn't stick around for so long" - Laughable logic there :)


Ok well disregard everything I've said and pot bet every hand.
 
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I listened to your advice and you are right.

I know I am horrible. Thing is, others at these games are often even worse and even if not I am at least trying to learn. So your advice is not being wasted :) keep it coming!
 
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I think potting can be okay at 2nl. The players are so bad they will barely notice.

However, stick with messiahs advice in general.
 
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Ugh yeah ok I guess potting is fine here but I just hate doing it on such dry flops I would rather bet 2/3 on flop and turn and shove river.
 
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