$2 NLHE Full Ring: Zoom hand

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $2.71
SB: $1.52
BB: $2.00
UTG: $3.47
UTG+1: $2.00
MP: $3.05
MP+1: $2.32
LP: $1.54
CO: $0.74

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q♣ Q♠

fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.39, 2 players) T♣ 8♦ 4♠
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $0.28, UTG+1 calls $0.28

Turn: ($0.95, 2 players) K♠
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.95, 2 players) 9♦
UTG+1 bets $0.46, Hero ?




PokerStars - $0.02 NL (9 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $2.32
SB: $2.52
BB: $6.13
UTG: $2.15
UTG+1: $3.98
MP: $2.13
MP+1: $2.97
Hero (LP): $3.04
CO: $4.32

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has A♦ Q♦

UTG raises to $0.06, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.06, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) T♦ A♥ 9♠
UTG bets $0.09, Hero calls $0.09

Turn: ($0.33, 2 players) 2♠
UTG bets $0.22, Hero calls $0.22

River: ($0.77, 2 players) 3♥
UTG bets $0.37, Hero ?

Hand1: Call
Hand2: I want to raise cos his river bet looks weak, but zoom is so nitty so idk maybe just call it

Why is hand 1 a call if you dont mind me asking?

Hand 1 first. no stats? would be nice if you had them

Why did you do an almost min 3bet with QQ here?

You cant fold the river once you check the turn you just look so weak and he can have lots of worse stuff.

I think the turn is a bet, there isn't that many kings in his range, can get clear value of anything with a T in it. Either that or if we check the turn we're calling a bet and if he doesn't bet we're betting and not just going into check mode because theres an over on the board.

hand 2 seems to depend very much on player type, it could be a 3bet or a call i cant tell without stats but if we take him as an unknown i think just a call. Raising is too thin unless we know he's a retard but then we'd probably of raised the early and have initiative by the river. And folding would be ridiculous so call. Still wondering why no 3bet with AQs there?

No stats I'm afraid, I don't play zoom with stats because I haven't worked out how to configure the hud yet. Only have stats for regular games.

Interesting thoughts, thank you for your input. In both hands I did end up calling both, but it was a toss up between call or fold for me.
Hand 1 he showed a set of K's
Hand 2 showed AK
I find that micro stakes zoom, people are really honest about what they are holding, they bet when they want a call and check when they don't.

I see you are not impressed with my near min 3 bet I raised to 18 because I feel I can gain the same information for the relatively cheaper price. The open is UTG+1 so I have to respect his range. If he 4 bets me we know he is uber strong, and if he flats then we can extract value from worse hands on favourable flops.

What I learnt from this thread is that I should have bet the turn instead of checking. I get more information this way for the same price as check calling on the river. If he bets river or raises turn, then I know my QQ is no good, and I also get value from worse hands that just flat my turn bet. Thank you for the help guys.

Hand 2 Villain is UTG so really have to respect his range here. I like just flatting in thsi spot and seeing a flop. Sorry again no stats :/

Betting "to gain information" is NOT a good reason to bet!!

You only need to bet for 2 reasons: for value or as a bluff. In the QQ hand you are betting for value preflop (you have the third best starting hand!) and if you bet the turn it is also for value (it's pretty likely you still have the best hand).

Gaining information can be a consequence of betting but it shouldn't be a reason to bet. When you start thinking like this it makes decisions a lot easier

Im pretty sure from reading a lot of your posts that you're too results oriented /or scared of the parts of a range that beat you.

Just because he had a set of kings there doesn't mean we played bad or anything of course he has hands in his range that beat us that's just standard. but just because someone is UTG or whatever doesn't mean you should 3bet smaller with QQ to find out if you're beat for cheaper (this is playing scared) make it .24c and get way more value, you can still fold if he's a nit and 4bets but you're playing microstakes, players are god awful and a huge mistake they make is calling oop with bad hands and calling too much when they hit something postflop or just playing fit or fold completely which is why you 3bet a normal size and get max value, and not worry about when he has KK or AA because tons of times he's gonna have like AJ and not be able to fold or AT.

Similar reason im gonna assume you call too much with hands like AQs, KQ,KJ etc, depending on the guy and who is behind you theres often way more value in 3betting your big value hands and letting him call oop and fold to c-bets. Initiative is a great thing to have on your side and the sooner you embrace it the sooner you stop playing scared passive poker (i mean you limp pocket pairs in early positions because you're scared of being raised!!!) and move up the stakes playing an aggressive game.

It is good that you're respecting peoples range based on position but just try and consider the whole range because people arent opening 1% of hands from EP.

Not having a go, just constructive advice that id say close to 100% of 2,5,10nl players will make far too often.

Thank you for your input micromachine, it hasn't been ignored.

It is difficult for me to find a good answer to your post Acky. This is because I know you are being helpful to me but I don't want to seem like a dick when I suggest that it isn't a very accurate description of me. I will try though.

I detest hands like KJo and KQo and I usually muck them. They are often dominated and win small pots while losing large pots. I love initiative, in fact I abuse it all day long. You are somewhat right when you suggest I am results originated. However it doesn't stop be betting heavily when I think I am ahead. It does make me fold more often though which probably reduces my winrate to around 4.00 instead of a lot more.

Depending on position I can 3bet hands from QQ+ right down to T7s. Depends on position again.

Still, you are right again when you say people are not just opening 1% of hands from UTG, I need to loosen up and 3bet larger amounts. I will try and work on this.Thank you for taking the time to visit my little thread

I have learnt 2 things from this thread.

Detesting good hands like KJ and KQ is gonna be a huge leak. I understand they can be dominated and win small pots bla bla bla but that just sounds like something regurgitated out of a theory book.

Its okay to detest them and muck them againset certain opponents but you're playing a field full of retards for the most part, if you're not 3betting big broadway hands for value against a ton of guys which it seems you probably arent then you just arent exploiting players well enough.

If a fish is 30/12 and calls lots of 3bets oop (a big mistake tons of players make) i guess you're just folding or calling with hands like QT, KJ,AT, etc. These offsuit hands dont play great multiway calling is pretty terrible as it lacks initiative, folding is just ridic nitty and missing value all over the shop. 3betting these fish with big value hands like this is great.

3betting a standard 14/12 reg's UTG with them is not so great.

Instead of thinking of some very vague poker mantra about domination which is true in context but total bulllshit until in relation to ranges, try and think of how you can get value with these hands.

If a fish is opening any ace why and calling 3bets oop like everyone at microstakes does, why not 3bet AT which is clearly way ahead of his range and only dominated by a couple of hands. EZ game.

Im not having a go at you or anything even if it comes across in a dick-ish manner. Just guessing you're missing hugely +EV spots by worrying about being dominated when you're the one dominating them.

I could go on for ages about the benefits of 3betting certain players but i need to go play some poker.

Something to think about anyways as hardly anyone is 3betting enough even at 100nl where i am at the moment other regulars are still missing out like its their job so i know people lower down are missing these opportunities even more.

In a short way of saying it, domination is very over-rated against a ton of guys, if they're calling 3bets with stuff like 9Ts then 3betting QT,AT is super fun when we hit and they hit.

I totally understand what you are saying mate and I have actually saved it so I can look at it later on when I need it. At the moment though I'm playing zoom and dont have the HUD setup to record player stats. My hud only auto works at normal ring games and not zoom. Thats why I dont like those kinds of hands, they really suck at zoom especially with out reads.

But very useful post and one that I know is informative. Thank you

i would have called in both situations but in both situations i would have re-raised / reraised more. (im finding re-raises veru effective in taking pots down pre but in this case neither would have folded.

totally agree on your "honest" comment

I cant get Hud to work either for zoom (using PT) but read an article in a magazine that said about using a hud with zoom but didnt mention what software they were using.