$2 NLHE Full Ring: Would you fold 1010 preflop to a re-raise?

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$2 NLHE Full Ring: Would you fold 1010 preflop to a re-raise?

No particular read on this guy. Is it possible to make remarks when you save a hand for looking at later in Poker Tracker. I have always forgotten everything I knew about the villain when I open Poker tracker to review a hand?

Anyway, I raised with 1010 and re-raised. Without information, would you guys just fold the hand?

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $3.15
BB: $3.85
UTG: $2.18
UTG+1: $2.00
Hero (MP): $2.09
CO: $1.94
BTN: $2.12
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has T T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BTN raises to $0.18, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.39, 2 players) 6 6 Q
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.20
What to do here? Would you guys fold or call or raise?

I guess this was a pretty loose call to the re-raise, but I just want to know what others think.

And cheers for the replays on my previous questions
 
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pre is fine. you have odds to set-mine and 10's could still be good.
with no reads i would call flop and lead turn then shut down unless we hit da 10.
 
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When you say I have odd to set mine, that puzzles me. I red or heard somewhere that the chances of flopping a set with pocket pair is 1:7. Thats why Im very often folding my pocket pairs preflop and on the flop if I dont hit. Are you then thinking about the impled odds when I hit my set?
Maybe someone could point me in the direction of a good article about how to play or think about pocket pairs?
 
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i'd just fold without reads that he was really tight at 3betting and that would stack off with an overpair if we hit a set. Calling 3bets OOP just sucks, and TT isn't a great hand once you get reraised.
 
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When you say I have odd to set mine, that puzzles me. I red or heard somewhere that the chances of flopping a set with pocket pair is 1:7.

as long as stacks are 10X the bet then you can profitably set-mine. you might want better implied odds OOP.
TT has plenty of showdown value even in a 3-bet pot. so i wouldn't be so quick to give up against an unknown on such a dry flop.

i'd just fold without reads that he was really tight at 3betting and that would stack off with an overpair if we hit a set. Calling 3bets OOP just sucks, and TT isn't a great hand once you get reraised.

although, acky may know better than me. :ciao:
 
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Its an unknown thats 3bet at 2nl, people arent doing it with air.

Best to just fold pre, unless you know he's a pure nit and is gonna stack his AA on a Txx flop. Making nitty folds out of position isnt something to be ashamed of imo, stops you spewing like c/c'ing flops and leading turns with an underpair in a 3bet pot.

So when the flop comes down Qxx and you c/c it, turns a 9 say, what are you getting value from by leading?? Only thing that will happen there is you fold out hands your beating, AK for example, and get called (worst case imo as we then bet a lot of rivers) or get raised by hands that are beating us, AQ/AA/KK/JJ as played.

EDIT: And at 2nl I wouldnt be crazy about my s/d value with TT when i get 3bet
 
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I go by the 10x stacks thing you're on about myself when considering this too, but you really need implied odds too, and when you start calling flops like this and investing more money without your set then, you've went against your plan of set mining, you see? No good set mining and then investing a 1/4 of your stack occasionally when you don't want to get away from a hand cause you've just destroyed your own implied odds as now when we do hit sets it won't pay off the bad money we've put in, in spots like this.
 
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So when the flop comes down Qxx and you c/c it, turns a 9 say, what are you getting value from by leading?? Only thing that will happen there is you fold out hands your beating, AK for example, and get called (worst case imo as we then bet a lot of rivers) or get raised by hands that are beating us, AQ/AA/KK/JJ as played.

well, maybe c/c flop and leading turn with TT on this flop isn't the best plan as the only hand (that beats us) we get a fold from is JJ most-likely.
we are never getting raised (or should never) by AQ, AA, KK, JJ on this board.
if we did c/c flop and lead turn then you should never lead river unless improved.

i posted that line b/c i have seen it used successfully in many OOP situations with mid pairs on 66Q type boards. although i will say if you take a line like this it is probably better to have 77 than TT as your folding out 77-JJ. with 77 you want a fold and with TT not so much.
meh, i'll stop rambling now. lol
 
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IP when i've opened from the CO or BTN i'll call 3bets with PP's using the 10x idea too, but IP we also have a lot more chances to win the pot, plus its a steal spot etc etc, i'd just rather not play poker OOP tbh and this is what makes me wanna fold, maybe even if we'd opened the CO here instead of MP I might be more open to calling it, but this looks like pure value 3betting from the villain imo
 
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I call strictly to set mine. At 2NL an unknowns 3bet range will be very tight MP vs BTN, and they will likely stack their overpairs.

I fold this flop. QQ+ still beat us whilst AK has ~24%equity, may double barrel and may not even c-bet.
 
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as long as stacks are 10X the bet then you can profitably set-mine. you might want better implied odds OOP.

I thought the call to stacks ratio needed to be more than 10X...more like 15-20X to profitably setmine. :confused: Not only do you need to hit your set but villain needs to hit a hand he is willing to stack off with, meaning you need much better implied odds than the odds of hitting your set.
 
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I thought the call to stacks ratio needed to be more than 10X...more like 15-20X to profitably setmine. :confused: Not only do you need to hit your set but villain needs to hit a hand he is willing to stack off with, meaning you need much better implied odds than the odds of hitting your set.

Probably right, the only reason i lower it a bit in spots like this is because i think he has a strong range, i still think we probably do need more than 10x which is why i'd fold here, a lot of the time he has AK here and misses 2/3 of the time but we don't realise out equity often because we're oop. I agree that 15-20x is better and definitely what i go by when its a single raised pot, think you can drag it down a bit when in 3bet pots vs strong ranges though as its a lot easier for the money to go in the middle.
 
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think you can drag it down a bit when in 3bet pots vs strong ranges though as its a lot easier for the money to go in the middle.

Good point. I might try lowering it then vs the nits and low 3bet% villains.
 
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Yeah, or you can also lower it obviously when theres a fish who's playing like a maniac :)
 
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