$2 NLHE Full Ring: Would you call this re-raise with QQ?

This guy' stats were 22/22 after about 50 hands

Should I have made the call or just folded. And on the flop same question? And should I have folded on the turn?

PartyGaming - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
SB: $1.48
BB: $0.73
UTG: $2.82
MP: $2.05
CO: $2.00
Hero (BTN): $1.98
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has Q♣ Q♦
UTG raises to $0.08, fold, CO raises to $0.24, Hero calls $0.24, fold, fold, fold
Flop: ($0.59, 2 players) T♠ 8♦ J♥
CO bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42
Turn: ($1.43, 2 players) 7♦
CO bets $1.02, fold
CO wins $1.36

4-bet pre, as were ahead of this villians range a lot of the time, and with an overpair to the board although on a pretty wet board im getting it in here on flop.SPR will be small and there are a lot of scary turn cards that will improve/hit the villian that we dont want to see.

Not that much info on villian as regards agg or anything else for that matter so its very hard to know what to do but as played,if your calling the flop you must call the turn, not much changes, but then again with him betting that much on the turn hes almost certainly jamming any river so i guess a fold is not the worst.

Hate not 4-betting pre here.As you can see it puts us in a lot of difficult spots post.

whats his 3-bet %? over 50 hands your not going to have accurate stats so maybe it's not important here. but if it's high, say 10% (6%+ even) i'd lean towards a 4-bet pre.

if we can give him a range of 88+, AJ+, KJ+, QJ (about 10%, thats why you should look at his 3-bet%) then we have over 61% equity on the flop. if we can give him a wide range then it looks like an easy shove on the flop.

on the turn i eliminated AK, AQ, KQ except AdKd. giving us nearly 52% equity on the turn.
most of our equity is coming from an over played Jack so he would have to be really aggressive to get the money in on the turn.

Just 4-bet shove and fistpump.

I fold.
How many tags at 2NL are bluffing UTG raises from the CO?
How many tags either flat QQ/AK or fold to the cold 4bet?
How many tags will ship JJ/TT/AQ over your 4bet?

The average range your up against when you ship here is going to be {QQ+, AK} at best.
Fold > Flat > Ship

Lastly UTGs stats would be useful. If UTG is a 55/34 then I'm more than happy to flat or 4bet (probably flat).

Ya more information would really help here. UTG stats firstly, CO's 3bet, is he an aggressive player overall? I do agree with Deco that most TAG's at NL2 probably are 3betting with a pretty tight range here. The problem is that we have QQ! Not an easy spot.

How does flatting > 4-betting here? Given villain's position, the utg raise, I'd rather not play a 3-bet pot OOP when my hand is face up. Not to mention that 22/22's are the furthest thing away from an average TAG... Especially ar 2nl.

c9h13no3 said:

How does flatting > 4-betting here? Given villain's position, the utg raise, I'd rather not play a 3-bet pot OOP when my hand is face up. Not to mention that 22/22's are the furthest thing away from an average TAG... Especially ar 2nl.

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We're on the button.

I'd say your average tag is around 20vpip so it's close enough given we only have 50 hands. I do not regard nits as tags, their a seperate category in themselves.

If an average tag is 20 vpip whats their PFR. Also please let me know how you would describe a 15/10 after 100 hands

twoturntablez said:

If an average tag is 20 vpip whats their PFR.

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20/17 give or take.

twoturntablez said:

Also please let me know how you would describe a 15/10 after 100 hands

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A nit.

Deco said:

20/17 give or take.

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He says it's FR but only shows 6 people. So it really depends on if his hands are from this table or a larger FR sample.

I'd 4 bet and stick it in.

If he has AA or KK its ok.

He will have JJ or AK a lot of the time too.

JDAWG5 said:

He will have JJ or AK a lot of the time too.

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In all my years of playing poker I have never seen a tag 3bet stack JJ UTG vs CO for 100bbs vs anyone but an absolutly appauling fish. I 4bet bluff so often I see all sorts of crap 5bet me but never from an UTG open.
Just to make it even more unlikely they're not even facing an UTG 4bet but an even stronger cold 4bet! In the COs shoes I insta-fold QQ or AK here. My 5bet range you'd be calling in to would be {KK+}. Best case scenario your getting it in a little less behind but still behind (40% equity vs {AK, QQ+}) from someone who can't fold QQ/AK here.

The fold equity you need to make up for your rubbish equity is dependant on villain 3bet bluffing UTG opens, a very rare thing to see at uSNL and something we have no reads for and even if we did we should 4bet/fold with weaker hands and AK is still a flat.

9/10 times at 6max (or FR with 6men) we can safely stack QQ and AK pre. Spots like this it's a huge mistake to do so.

Jesus, 2nl players use a HUD and post hands in forums. People seriously consider 2nl villains to be standard TAGs. The games have gotten so much harder than when I started playing...