$2 NLHE Full Ring: What do you put villain on?

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (6 players)
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SB: $2
BB: $0.70
UTG: $1.81
MP: $2 (sitting out)
CO Hero: $2.11
BTN: $0.83

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO and dealt :qs4: :qh4:
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) :9d4: :8c4: :3c4: (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.11, UTG calls $0.11

Turn: ($0.45) :9d4: :8c4: :3c4: :7d4: (3 players)
UTG bets $0.43, Hero raises to $1.90 (All-in), UTG calls $1.17 (All-in)

River: ($3.95) :9d4: :8c4: :3c4: :7d4: :2s4: (3 players)



Villain is a crazy calling station preflop with VPIP 68, PFR 24. Villain is also very aggressive postflop, easily betting pot with bottom pair on the board. Info out of 42 hands.

I have a premium hand and raise it up big to dissuade any really loose calls. The flop comes in kinda wet but given villain called a huge preflop raise, I put villain on decent to premium cards such as AK or AQ, maybe AJ, mid to high PP but not AA, KK, or QQ (AA and KK prob reraise and QQ unlikely since I had them).

Flop gives a flush draw and a straight draw if villain was playing JT or AKs and got lucky. I bet 2/3 pot and villain calls so I think maybe mid pp up to JJ but no sets unless villain is playing tricky. The turn opens up a flush draw and villain bets near pot. I've seen villain do this with other players with a pair so I think maybe villain connected with the 7 or has a flush draw.

What range do you guys put villain on based on his actions?
 
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You give him a waaaaaaaay too strong range imo.

I bet bigger on the flop, he's not doing away with a draw here so charge him for it, when he dons the turn I'm slowing down I think and just calling, re-evaluate the river, if he bets small I'll call it off, if he checks id be betting most rivers and if he shoved or something I prob make a crying fold.

He's lookin quite strong by leading that turn, could easily have 2 pair with 78 89 type, or have turned his straight with 56 or JT. I call turn and if he keeps up the agg on the river then I don't think 1 pair is good
 
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Wow, you got his hand totally right! Villain ended up with 2 pair on the turn and i did not improve or pair the board by the river to take out his hand. Although I find that fish can be loose with large VPIP, they usually limp in or call small bets like 3xBB and rarely call 5xBB with weak holdings like connectors, especially at the micros.
 
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Bet much more on the flop. Super fish + strong hand + wet flop = pot bet

His donk on the turn is pretty scary. Wish you hadn't revealed results as I'm not good at keeping unbias opinions once I know the result.
Flatting a flush draw then donking it seems strange, even T9 doesn't quite fit the bill well and backdoor flush draws will be pretty rare. TT/JJ/A9 could do this based on the double flush draw scaring them.

Dunno if I'm just trying to not be bias but I'd probably play it the same. A9 I could fold here, the prospect of A9/TT/JJ just about tips the balance for me. Would be an intresting stove, I suspect a fold may be right here. JT/56/78/89/33/88/77/99 is a large range to be afraid off especially as the majority of them made their hand on the turn so their lines make 100% sense unlike weird flat > donk flush draw lines were we can expect a checkraise or another flat.
I want to call as I wouldn't be folding brick rivers if I opted to call and any hand that we beat has decent equity and is rarely folding to a shove. If I'm calling it's based on the belief he has draws and 9x/tt/JJ. All these hands could shove the river and we're looking at better than 2 to 1 odds.
Turn is close, one of my leaks is that I pay off fish too easy.
 
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The flop? Im actually not sure why. Looking back, I prob should have bet around 60-75% at least, probably bigger and taken the pot down now.

Putting poker stove against his entire range, Im a 3 to 1 favorite even on the turn. Taking out AA, KK, AK, and giving villain a 20% range of hands that connect the flop (broadway TP or MP, connectors), Im 2 to 1.

I guess im still not sure how to put villain on a range of hands very well yet since I did not expect a villain to call a 5xBB with connectors.
 
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Way more on the flop. Your bet size is literally throwing awaying money. Pot button.
 
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I have to agree with orangepeeleo, you are giving him a range that is far to strong. At this level a limp-call can be a pretty wide range of hands. Yeah, those premium hands are in there, but you also have most pocket pairs and some higher suited connectors (probably about 45s-10Js). You are definitely ahead of most all of his preflop range.

The flop is a pretty coordinated board and you have a very strong hand hear. I would definitely raise a a lot more than half pot. 3/4 pot at least all the way up to full pot. Since you said he is pretty aggressive post flop I would think his check always means some kind of weak hand or draw. He is probably going to have bottom pair with at least one club or the straight draw. Even that range may be a little to strong for him. If he really is as fishy as you say, he could be showing up with just the bottom pair right here.

On the turn him leading out would either mean he picked up a strong straight draw with his flush draw, he turned a set (very unlikely) or he has picked up two pair. I would probably just call the turn and see what he does on the river.

At the micro stakes, a good rule of thumb is to value bet until someone shows you that they are getting aggressive and then reevaluate. That is exactly what he did here. He was weak until decided to lead out on that turn. That's a good point to give him SOME credit for a hand.
 
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