$2 NLHE Full Ring: What about this weird check-raising at the micros?

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pokerstars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG+1: 99 BB (VPIP: 13.21, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 53)
MP: 188 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 35.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
CO: 172.5 BB (VPIP: 10.76, PFR: 7.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.44, Hands: 1,360)
Hero (BTN): 101.5 BB
SB: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.83, PFR: 12.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.69, Hands: 394)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qd Kh
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.5 BB, 2 players) Ac 9s 5s
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB raises to 8 BB, fold

BB wins 14 BB

Encountering more and more of these spots with this kind of min check-raising on the flop and I don't know what to do. Is this nuts or air most of the time? :confused:
 
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In my experience it is not air. Players that do this also tend to never fold to a reraise.
 
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At micros i find minraising is more bluffy and drawy and bigger the raise and bet will lean towards strength.

but yeah typical fold.
better players will know u will cbet with all your range here
 
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better players will know u will cbet with all your range here

I didn't have any hand history on villain at the time of the hand, but after a few rounds they didn't seem like a good player. Also a better player would make it bigger, at least 2,5x or 3x my cbet right?

I understand it is probably a correct fold even though it is only a min 3bet and I'm in position. I can not see how this could be a bluff, but IF it is, they are probably also donking turn, thus calling the 3bet on the flop puts me in a tougher position than I have to be in, and it's just not gonna be profitable.

But what if I had AQ in this example? I will then call the min 3bet. If the turn bricks, but villain donks big (something around a pot-sized bet), what do I do? Is there even an argument for 4betting on the flop in this AQ case?
 
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I would go with the sizing tell, like @Aces said. Villain first betting small then big is also imo a tell and hinting value hand panicking you are drawing to flush. More often than not we see a small bet or no bet at all OTT with draws.

Villain’s range for small betting normally is {all draws, Ax, sets, pocket pairs}

Given the range, I would reraise and have done so with AQ when I have a note he will do this with Ax hand, to get his whole stack in. But as always keeping pot small is easier and safer way out because most raises are for value generally. Hole pair bettors usually 3barrel (small), so better just call vs them (and they have hard time to fold to river raise vs your stronger hands).

Like @16c said, don’t expect him to fold anything.

Also note that he is fish is not enough to maximize EV vs him. There are many different kind of fish in the sea.
 
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I didn't have any hand history on villain at the time of the hand, but after a few rounds they didn't seem like a good player. Also a better player would make it bigger, at least 2,5x or 3x my cbet right?

I understand it is probably a correct fold even though it is only a min 3bet and I'm in position. I can not see how this could be a bluff, but IF it is, they are probably also donking turn, thus calling the 3bet on the flop puts me in a tougher position than I have to be in, and it's just not gonna be profitable.

But what if I had AQ in this example? I will then call the min 3bet. If the turn bricks, but villain donks big (something around a pot-sized bet), what do I do? Is there even an argument for 4betting on the flop in this AQ case?

With AQ its tricky cuz we also have to worry about AK and against bad players they will get sticky. Just think about hands we beat and think what type of players.

A lot of players wont be 3betting here with AJ AT on flop but people will with 2pair or sets. Some people but not as many will with draws but aggression is important factor here and some players will gii with AK
 
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PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG+1: 99 BB (VPIP: 13.21, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
MP: 188 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 35.48, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
CO: 172.5 BB (VPIP: 10.76, PFR: 7.58, 3Bet Preflop: 3.44, Hands: 1,360)
Hero (BTN): 101.5 BB
SB: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.83, PFR: 12.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.69, Hands: 394)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qd Kh
fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.5 BB, 2 players) Ac 9s 5s
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BB raises to 8 BB, fold

BB wins 14 BB

Encountering more and more of these spots with this kind of min check-raising on the flop and I don't know what to do. Is this nuts or air most of the time? :confused:


You have very little equity. Fold. On to the next hand. Easy game. You simply can't/won't win every pot. Raise bets like this only if you have big draws or equity of some kind, a hand that can improve to a huge hand.
 
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