$2 NLHE Full Ring: Weak turn raise for value Silly?

twoturntablez

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Any way of not getting all in here?

poker stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1849321
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BB: $0.06 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 2.1, Hands: 94
UTG: $1.86 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 5, 3B: 3, AF: 2.5, Hands: 224
Hero (MP): $4.59 - VPIP: 14, PFR: 9, 3B: 3, AF: 2.8, hands: 9882
CO: $3.91 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 6, AF: 24.0, Hands: 402
BTN: $0.81 - VPIP: 61, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 5.5, Hands: 33
SB: $2.01 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.3, Hands: 26

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with J A
UTG calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04 all in, UTG calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.23) J 6 9 (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.51) A (3 players - 1 is all in)
UTG bets $0.28, Hero raises to $0.76, UTG raises to $1.24, Hero raises to $2, UTG calls $0.40 all in

River: ($3.79) 5 (3 players - 2 are all in)
 
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I'd just call the turn. When he donks that board, he really only has a few hands (99, 66, maybe AJ). The turn doesn't let us improve against that range, so I'd flat the turn as well.
 
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I like going bigger preflop with the limper. I'd go at least .10 but I really like making it like .12 against an this type of player who likes to limp a lot preflop and is likely to call to see a flop for nearly any amount.

I really question your turn play though. I mean you flat the flop which I like but then go crazy on the turn when he donks again. Yeah you hit 2pair but against the range that goes donk/donk you shouldn't be feeling too good. I mean he limp/called pre so big pairs are unlikely and even if he has them he'll have to give them up with the turned Ace once you raise the turn. What range of hands that you beat do you realistically believe he call the turn raise with? Same question for hands you think that he 3bets small like this?
 
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For the most part these hands you're posting are coolers. They seem like a huge deal but for the most part if you're beat in these spots it's a shrug-move on type of thing.

In this particular hand villain is very tight-passive so it might be advisable to just call down. But you shouldn't spend too much time worrying about them. In the long run true coolers are precisely neutral EV. Now, determining what a true cooler is against someone's range is pretty important, but I guarantee you're losing value or spewing in other spots that happen a lot more often that are easily fixable.
 
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Just wondering, what makes you guys want to flat the flop? That's usually my standard move but on a board this drawy and assuming that villain is pretty fishy(large vpip/pfr gap, not using auto rebuy, open limping utg), isn't it possible that he could be donking draws and TP?
 
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For the most part these hands you're posting are coolers

Yes well maybe. I went through the sessions sorting hands in which I lost the most money. I skipped through plenty of coolers, my set of flop called by overpair to get a set on the river, KK vs AA on random rainbow boards.Those I can just skip by, so being completely honest with you Baudib Im posting hands where Im scratching my head as to whether my play was ok.

Now, determining what a true cooler is against someone's range is pretty important, but I guarantee you're losing value or spewing in other spots that happen a lot more often that are easily fixable.

Well this is my worry, how do I go about easily fixing them please!!?

Here the guy did have 99, and in retrospect its quite clear and I didnt think carefully enough about the turn that it probably didnt help me if I was already losing.
 
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Post some of your nonstandard winning hands, hands you sucked out on, the times you've tried "tricky" plays. That way we get more of a broader spectrum of your play and can find leaks you didnt know you had
 
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I'd just call the turn. When he donks that board, he really only has a few hands (99, 66, maybe AJ). The turn doesn't let us improve against that range, so I'd flat the turn as well.

This, you're either still ahead or still behind. Once you get villain to get stacks in here, you're not ahead often.
 
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I'd make it a bit more preflop as well. Postflop it is very player dependent. You have a decent sample on him so you could look at something like how often he donk bets. He looks like one of those tight passive regs who only bet with the nuts so just calling the flop or turn are certainly options that should be considered.
 
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