$2 NLHE Full Ring: TT vs Tight Passive

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
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SB: $3.22
BB: $2.05
UTG: $0.75 (sitting out)
UTG+1: $0.80 (sitting out)
MP: $2 (sitting out)
MP+1 Hero: $2.16
MP+2: $2.08
CO: $1.28
BTN: $2.18

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+1 and dealt :10h4: :10s4:
Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.08, BB folds

Flop: ($0.19) :4d4: :jc4: :5s4: (5 players)
Hero bets $0.19, BTN calls $0.19

Turn: ($0.57) :4d4: :jc4: :5s4: :9h4: (5 players)
Hero bets $0.55, BTN calls $0.55

River: ($1.67) :4d4: :jc4: :5s4: :9h4: :9c4: (5 players)
Hero bets $1.34 (All-in), BTN calls $1.34

Villain is kinda tight with stats of 22/8 after 24 hands.
 
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if you say the villain is tight, then why did you almost pot 3 streets with an over on the flop?

what did you expect him to call you with that wasnt worse?

not attacking you, just asking for your thought process.
 
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Looks like villain either is weak calling down with KJ or QJ, maybe AJ or he is strong with a set or overpair and you just give him exactly what he wants.
 
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Yeah i don't like potting every street with 2nd pair on such a dry board.What worse hands do you think you get 3 streets of value from?
 
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Bet flop small > c/f turn
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c/c flop > c/f turn
Seeing as we're vs a fishy looking unknown I like the first option. Worse can call, taking down the pot is fine by me, when worse value calls it's unlikely to bluff the turn.
If you think your villain may float go for the latter line.

Your line you are value towning yourself. Not only does 66-88 rarely call three streets but they make 18combos compared to {AJ/KJ/JJ/44/55}'s 33combos which are calling all the way. Throw 56 or A5s into the mix and your looking at JT/QJ/54 coming along
 
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Its fine if you attack me. I think I was a little tilted and did not think my entire hand through. On the flop, I find that villains often do not play with a Jack in their hand as often as they do with a Ace, King, or Queen so I felt I was good here. Im honestly not sure what I did on the turn but on the river, I felt I showed alot of aggression and thought I might be able to take the pot away with a shove bluff.
 
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On the flop, I find that villains often do not play with a Jack in their hand as often as they do with a Ace, King, or Queen so I felt I was good here. Im honestly not sure what I did on the turn but on the river, I felt I showed alot of aggression and thought I might be able to take the pot away with a shove bluff.

the flop cbets fine but as soon as you get called you don't want to stack off..

ranges don't work that way, J can hit ranges pretty hard imo, most face cards do really.

also Jx is never folding that river so the shove is burning money.

bet check check or bet check bet is a better line to take in these spots. :)
 
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What's wrong with b/f flop c/c turn c/f river?
 
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isn't that pretty much the line I gave?

bet check check.

assuming the opponent bets the turn.
 
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Too narcissistic to read anyone else's posts fwiw
 
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You said yourself that he is tight passive. PPl like this only call with a strong hand and raise with a verry strong hand. He called preflop with a good hand . After your flop c-bet his call ment you should've give up. He nailed it AJ, KJ and the fact that he is passive means he will slowplay all the way to the river. I doubt he pieled the flop with 9A or something like this .
Anyway, This is the theory for a big sample. For only 24 hands there is another story. 24 hands with stats 22/8 means he played 5 hands and raised 2 times preflop. This means almost nothing. His postflop play is blank. Yous should stick real tight and pot control when you do not know the villan.
 
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What's wrong with b/f flop c/c turn c/f river?

Don't hate it like.
It assumes villain is floating. I feel this is too wide of an assumption for someone we have 20 hands on.

c/c flop, c/f turn stops floaters from exploiting us without risking as much money and picks up money from non-floating villains who bluff when we check to them.

I take your line once I have a nicely converged low FCB stat.
 
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