$2 NLHE Full Ring: Trouble playing this straight draw

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Overall I don't think I played the hand great.
I was hoping to raise a small cbet from one of the villains' cbet, but as you can see one bet 2/3 of the pot and one called. So I thought of going in the conservative path and just called.

Come to think of it I have no clue why I limped with pocket 4 from utg+1. I was 5 tabling at that time so must've lost concentration. Besides there's a penalty blind and the button is a very good player (One of the few that does great at 2NL at 888) and I have the SB marked as passive slow player. He rarely goes on the aggressive side even though he is likely in front and baits the other to bluff or VB and just calls. So maybe this is why I just called. But should've folded.

But after the flop what should I've done?

888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG+1): 111 BB
MP: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 17.93, 3Bet Preflop: 9.76, hands: 147)
MP+1: 40 BB
CO: 100 BB
BTN: 455.5 BB (VPIP: 24.78, PFR: 16.66, 3Bet Preflop: 7.36, Hands: 1,467)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 11.72, PFR: 8.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 146)
BB: 92.5 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 28)
UTG: 115.5 BB (VPIP: 12.20, PFR: 6.71, 3Bet Preflop: 1.52, Hands: 165)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, MP+1 posts penalty blind 1.5 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 4.5 BB) Hero has 4s 4h
fold, Hero calls 1 BB, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop : (15 BB, 4 players) 2d 3c 5c
SB bets 10.5 BB, BB calls 10.5 BB, Hero calls 10.5 BB, fold

Turn : (46.5 BB, 3 players) 7h
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River : (46.5 BB, 3 players) Jd
SB checks, BB checks, Hero?

(I did bet 35.5BB & the SB called)
 
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Good bluffing spots are rare in multiway pots, I can't find a good reason to bet this river here. Even if you want to rep A4 or 64s, you will get called by a jack or maybe worse to one river bet. Betting turn and river might make them think twice though, still I'd never do that at those stakes. So it take it to showdown.
 
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having called the bet on the flop, I would have bet the turn 1/2 pot. think for sure one was chasing clubs, the other could easily have ax or over pair but with the checks, no way to see where the power is.......the bet on the river would be dependant on the turn response of course. how did it turn out?
 
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The bugger had pocket 10s. I think he would've called any bet all 3 streets. Should make a note to always be careful around him with weaker hands
 
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I understand him not wanting to put all his stack in with TT in this context, I'd be checking turn as well. That's not a monster by any means, he's not trapping, he's cautious and wants two streets max I'd say.
 
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I understand him not wanting to put all his stack in with TT in this context, I'd be checking turn as well. That's not a monster by any means, he's not trapping, he's cautious and wants two streets max I'd say.

Not exactly. I've seen him play and played a few pots with him as well. He usually plays like this.
One time he played queens like this as I remember.

Why would he ever not take any value from that hand and risk a pot bet on the river where a possible straight draw and a overcard on the board? I'd bet for value here at least the turn.
 
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Think OOP it's a dicey spot for him, by betting turn you are likely playing for stacks on the river and would not like it. I guess I'm tighter multiway but people are spewing way too much with one pair multiway imo. If the board runs bad on the river, move on.

If he does it heads up I get what you mean, it's bad slow play.
 
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You don't need to bluff here on the river as you have some showdown value, you could easily see opponents with big ace hands here and you don't have much invested.
I'm not a fan of chasing these draws as no one decent commiting many chips if the ace or 6 arrives on the river anyway.
The only way to have won the hand was to bet turn and shove river but when you are offered a free card on the turn here I'd just take it. There will be plenty of times when you won't get the right odds and be forced to fold. Your chances in the hand were damaged by your limp which let in too many players.
So overall you had the correct odds to call on the flop so the call looks ok but just check it down especially with a guy who slow plays
 
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why are we limping in utg+1? especially with 3bb of penalty blinds added preflop. I'd have opened to 8bb and repped a strong hand with our position.With that flop it then gives option if SB opens to raise our openended draw or if he checks flop,bet and possibly barrel turn as well.
As played , i don't see any reason to bet river , air folds and we only get called by better.
 
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Thanks guys. Yeah I know I played the hand really terrible starting preflop.

Generally I'd play this as Keith suggested, but must've lost concentration.
Even if I played like that the villain would've called because he's generally like that.

Nevertheless a bad play by me
 
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