$2 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK on wet flop and aggressive fish

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
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SB: $0.98
BB: $1.32
UTG: $2.10
UTG+1: $1.91
MP: $1.72 (sitting out)
MP+1: $2.14
MP+2: $2.39
CO Hero: $2
BTN: $1.27

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO and dealt :8s4: :as4:
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $0.02, MP+1 folds, MP+2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.08, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds, MP+2 calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.36) :7h4: :8h4: :5s4: (5 players)
SB bets $0.17, MP+2 calls $0.17, Hero folds, BTN calls $0.17

Turn: ($0.87) :7h4: :8h4: :5s4: :3s4: (4 players)
SB bets $0.73 (All-in), MP+2 folds, BTN calls $0.73

River: ($2.33) :7h4: :8h4: :5s4: :3s4: :7s4: (3 players)

Villain on the BTN is a fish with VPIP of 77 and PFR of 31. Villain in SB is kinda semi loose passive with VPIP of 25 and PFR of 0. Villain acting before me (MP+1) is a pretty passive calling station with VPIP of 36 and PFR of 2.

I was trying to open up my range a little with A8s, a hand I do not open up with often. I felt that even through A8s is not great, it is still beating the MP+1 and BTN's ranges since they cold call with random cards often.

The flop was decent but very connected. Looking back, I felt that it was unlikely for anyone to call a raise with 64 or 96 but the donk bet by the SB was a little worrying since I only had a backdoor flush to improve.

Had I called the turn and gained additional outs with the nut flush draw, the SB's large bet would also make me wonder if calling this bet would be right. Villain would have bet around 75% of the pot had I called and I would only have 14 outs to improve my hand, or 28% by the river. I know that the BTN calls with almost anything so I think my TP is good against him but not sure about SB. How would you guys have played this flop or turn?
 
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SB seems passive and donking here is very strong. Pre is fine maybe a little bigger like 10c. I'd just fold flop, you're not even closing the action.
 
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Why do you always raise so small pre? Why are you folding the flop again?
 
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Actually I can see an argument for calling the flop. Great odds, bink an A or 8 or spade for BDFD and ez game.
 
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If you are going to be raising this preflop, and I don't see anything wrong with that, you are going to want to raise a lot more. A good general rule is 3.5-4 x bb + 1bb for each limper. At 2nl you can even bump that up another bb or two.

On the flop, you aren't closing out the action but you are already getting about 4:1 on your pot odds. With that you are only going to have to win the pot 20% of the time, that's excluding all the implied odds you are going to have with these guys. You've got, at least 3 A's and 2 8's that will pretty much give you the nuts against their range. I can't see a good reason to fold on this flop. You are pretty likely to be ahead at this point, if you aren't you have decent odds to improve to the nuts (or pretty close) and will stack at least one of these guys when you do. At the very least I would peal one off and see what the turn brings.
 
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If you are going to be raising this preflop, and I don't see anything wrong with that, you are going to want to raise a lot more. A good general rule is 3.5-4 x bb + 1bb for each limper. At 2nl you can even bump that up another bb or two.

On the flop, you aren't closing out the action but you are already getting about 4:1 on your pot odds. With that you are only going to have to win the pot 20% of the time, that's excluding all the implied odds you are going to have with these guys. You've got, at least 3 A's and 2 8's that will pretty much give you the nuts against their range. I can't see a good reason to fold on this flop. You are pretty likely to be ahead at this point, if you aren't you have decent odds to improve to the nuts (or pretty close) and will stack at least one of these guys when you do. At the very least I would peal one off and see what the turn brings.

Ditto
 
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