$2 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK on wet flop

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Party Poker - $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem (9 players)
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SB: $2
BB: $2.72
UTG: $0.80 (sitting out)
UTG+1: $1.35
MP: $2 (sitting out)
MP+1: $2.18
MP+2 Hero: $1.97
CO: $2
BTN: $0.95

Pre-flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP+2 and dealt :kh4: :ac4:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 3 folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) :8d4: :2d4: :kd4: (4 players)
BB bets $0.13

Im not sure if I played this hand too scared even though I think I made the right decision at the end. Villain was really loose so I was glad to play a pot with him but due to his wide range and the pot bet on the flop which indicated strength to me, I though villain flopped a flush and I was only slightly ahead or way behind. Any thoughts on the hand?
 
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It's really hard to flop a flush and unless villain is super passive folding the flop seems absurd.
 
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i'm kinda aggro post flop in cash so I say raise here, a lot will say call and see what develops on the turn.. probably the best play
 
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Stats on villain?
I'm flatting it's not close. Raising and folding are horrible.
 
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If you raise you're effectively bluffing. No worse hand will call.
Just call.
 
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Flopping a flush is like 130/1 if I'm not mistaken. I'm willing to stack if if needs be. Chances are people will stack with a nut flush draw here so you're in good shape most times.By the way, people won't usually shove if it's the nuts..so if they do, it's even easier to snap it off.
 
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I raise more preflop. If villain is really loose I think that putting him on a flush a lot of the time here is grossly misrepresenting his actual range. I think that putting any player type on a flush a lot here is off the mark. Flushes are real hard to flop.

This spot is a bit tricky. My choice is between calling and raising. And it has a lot to do with how aggressive the opponent is.
 
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only have 32 hands on villain so not much to draw on yet but VPIP is 59.38 and PFR is 12.5. I took the pot bet to signal strength and given his huge range, thought any 2 suited is likely in his hand. I was also wondering what I would do if another diamond came down on the turn or river which is why I decided to fold on the flop. Is this too weak at the micros?
 
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Your 3x pre-flop raise was average, and your pot-bet on the flop was a good move too. I don't see anything wrong with your play at all. If your opponent happened to have 2 diamonds, that's a very unlucky flop for you. Nothing you could do about it. But based on your play, you did just fine. Good bets.
 
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only have 32 hands on villain so not much to draw on yet but VPIP is 59.38 and PFR is 12.5. I took the pot bet to signal strength and given his huge range, thought any 2 suited is likely in his hand. I was also wondering what I would do if another diamond came down on the turn or river which is why I decided to fold on the flop. Is this too weak at the micros?

Yeah, I think folding to his flop bet is too weak here. I'd bet a little bigger pre-flop, too. But, as played, and given villains stats, my choice is between just calling or raising here. I'm not considering a fold to any normal-sized bet. He has literally almost anything in his range at this point with a vpip of 60.

I think I prefer the call, but I'm not sure. Regardless, I'm at least staying in the hand 'til the turn and see what his actions are and what the turn brings. Now, if the turn does bring another diamond and he bets at it, I'm almost certainly folding.
 
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Raising flop is terrible, 43o with the 3d has decent equity against us. Building a huge pot with this type of hand, whether it's 2 red Aces on 765 all spade flop or this hand here, is just really bad. Call down, bet if he checks to us but don't bloat the pot.
 
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Flopping a flush is like 130/1 if I'm not mistaken. I'm willing to stack if if needs be. Chances are people will stack with a nut flush draw here so you're in good shape most times.By the way, people won't usually shove if it's the nuts..so if they do, it's even easier to snap it off.

118.78/1 if my calcs are correct (which they will be)
 
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Raising flop is terrible, 43o with the 3d has decent equity against us. Building a huge pot with this type of hand, whether it's 2 red Aces on 765 all spade flop or this hand here, is just really bad. Call down, bet if he checks to us but don't bloat the pot.

Sorry Baudib but I didnt bet the flop at all. A pot bet was made into me and I was thinking of how I should respond. It seems like alot of people are willing to call the flop bet but I was wondering what they would do if another diamond comes. I only have TPTK and very few outs to improve (3 remaining Aces and 2 Queens in the deck).
 
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Was villain very aggressive? if so, I'm calling this down as he may have had only 8x/2x/Kx, with one being a diamond but would fold to another diamond on the turn.
 
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Sorry Baudib but I didnt bet the flop at all. A pot bet was made into me and I was thinking of how I should respond. It seems like alot of people are willing to call the flop bet but I was wondering what they would do if another diamond comes. I only have TPTK and very few outs to improve (3 remaining Aces and 2 Queens in the deck).

If another diamond comes off just let it go if he bets again.
 
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only have 32 hands on villain so not much to draw on yet but VPIP is 59.38 and PFR is 12.5.

Please include this next time. It's really really important information, leaving stuff like this out will affect the quality of your responses. 32 hands is more than enough to show this guy is an uberfish.

Flopping a flush is like 130/1 if I'm not mistaken. I'm willing to stack if if needs be.

You can't use stats like this after the flop has already come down. In any given hand flopping a flush is pretty rare. Once the flop has come down monotone it's pretty damn likely.

This is like saying "AK only hits 32% of the time were fine to continue" on a Axx flop.
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The odds of making a royal flush are like 1,000,00 to one. If the board has come down TsJsQsKs and 5 people have just gone all in these stats no longer apply.
 
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