$2 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK How can I save money here?

CheeringRoger

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 11/7.9/1.33

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BB: $2.48
UTG: $0.39
UTG+1: $2.02
UTG+2: $1.13
MP1: $2.00 =HERO
MP2: $2.61
CO: $2.03
BTN: $3.17
SB: $0.32

Pre Flop: ($0.03)
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, 1 fold, MP1 with A <font color='black'>♠</font> Q <font color='black'>♠</font> calls $0.10, 5 folds
Villain is tight and makes a 5bb raise. Must have a good hand. Is a 3bet optional here? I thought I would just call with AQ since that sort of the bottom of his range already.

Flop: ($0.23) 4 <font color='black'>♠</font> A <font color='red'>♦</font> 8 <font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.18, MP1 calls $0.18
Yay TPTK. I immediately fall in love with my hand. I flat his cbet
Turn: ($0.59) J <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.51, MP1 calls $0.51
So here is where it all went wrong. He bets significantly larger % of the pot. But I end up calling. Should I have just folded here?

River: ($1.61) 3 <font color='red'>♥</font> (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.23 all in, MP1 calls $1.21 all in
Again a huge bet. Would he really do that with A10-? Of course not. I should have read this directly.

So just like I said in my previous post. I have the tendency to not lay down my TPTK hands. I fall in love with them. Anyone that struggled with this before as well? How did you fix it for yourself?
 
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He is tight, not super aggressive. You say you flat, rather than 3 bet pre because its at the bottom of his range, maybe, maybe not. If you 3 bet he seems to be tight enough to fold many hands that your behind, small pairs etc.

Use your hud, or popup information. What is his ep PFR (1%? just fold pre)? I would imagine it is much lower than 7.5, if he raises that much ep, then he is going to fold to a 3 bet often I would imagine. Also use that info as well, fold to 3bet%. If its real low, and he calls, your probably in trouble. If its high, then he is going to fold too much not to 3bet with AQ, and many other hands if your not doing it too much.

Lose the 3 bet when your beat, rather than lose your stack. As played, ep PFR%, flop Cbet%, turn cbet%, river... When they keep on after they usually shut down it is time to worry. When they push after they usually shut down, its time to fold with TP SECOND KICKER, you put TPTK (I am folding that as well depending on the other numbers, not risking my stack when I am at best only going to tie). Another stat, I always look at pretty much no matter what type of player, and if I keep posting here I will keep saying it over and over again. WTSD%, W$SD%. Go look at this guys, the first is one low, the second one is high I bet. Someone like that, you don't want to be playing for stacks against with only a pair. Maybe a overpair, even then not really,and not every time. Think about it, the lower the WTSD% is, the stronger a hand you need when they want all the chips in the middle for the showdown.

Hope this helps with the problem you say your having with not being able to lay down TPTK hands, and helps you to be able to keep them when you should.
 
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Pre-flop, I'd have to imagine he's probably 3-4% PFR from this position, and most of his range will be big pairs that won't fold to a 3-bet, like TT+ or big unpaired hands like AK. So with someone this tight I'd likely just fold. If you were in slightly later position, and you could steal some flops from his AQs/AK range, then I might flat, but what's the post against someone like this? Why give them action?

As played, the flop is fine, and fold the turn. The best case here is you're splitting, and that's probably not the case with his sizing.
 
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Preflop I'm torn as to whether it's better to 3bet or call (or even just fold). If you 3bet I expect most of the hands you want to stay in (if he even opens these) are folding. Like AJ, maybe ATs or something, mid pocket pairs, etc. The hands he continues with are most often way ahead of you (AK and big pairs).

Other factors to consider are the players still left to act. For example if there's a laggy player that may attempt to squeeze I'm more inclined to fold or 3bet. If there are fish in the blinds I'm more likely to flat and try to keep them in the pot. It's hard to say what I would do in the moment though.

I think calling the flop is ok and giving up unimproved. I might consider raising in position sometimes to something like .40 or .45. If he 3bets I can pretty easily fold. If he calls he'll likely check the turn and I have the possiblility of seeing the the river for free (and likely to showdown cheaper). Perhaps I pick up a spade on the turn. I may be too aggro (most likely lol) and it's better to call. If you're planning on calling a second barrel unimproved like you did though, I think raising the flop is something to consider.

As played I fold the turn. He seems to be passive, and I think the majority of hands that fire again are ahead. Again this depends on how tight he actually opens, but I feel he's more likely to be strong here (EP open, tight stats, 5x open, etc). If I call his bet I'm really just hoping he will check the river and I can get to showdown, if he fires again I'm not comfortable at all on most river cards.

Sorry if my posts are long winded lol, but it helps me to type out my own thoughts. Now that I re-read this I think it's better to just fold preflop vs someone this tight if I'm not targeting a fish in the blinds.
 
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Yeah, just in case you've never looked, this is your range vs a 3.8% open, which is probably about right on for a nit like this:

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equity Win Tie Hand Range
31.5226% 28.21% 3.3126% [ AcQd ]
68.4774% 65.1647% 3.3126% [ TT+(100), AQs+(100), AKo(100) ]
 
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Here it is vs 7.1% if he is one of those players that opens any PP and AK from any position.

Hand 0: 60.664% 60.12% 00.55% 1037615796 9445854.00 { 22+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.336% 38.79% 00.55% 669494928 9445854.00 { AQo }

Hope your able to see now why that stat is so important to look at, from the position position itself.
 
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