$2 NLHE Full Ring: TPTK facing shove from fish/short stacker

The decision to fold here may be clear for some, but I would still apreciate some input. I see fish do this with Top pair weak kicker alot of time. Im admitting he's a fish because he bought in for the minimum, and if he was a good short stacker, his PF range doesnt really hit this board... And he would have 3 bet overpairs Preflop too. Also, the check raise when the board pairs seems very bluffy to me.

poker stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players

BTN: $0.96
SB: $3.95
BB: $5.50
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $1.73
UTG+2: $2.05
Hero (MP1): $5.35
MP2: $2.51
CO: $1.73

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP1 with A<font color='red'>♦</font> J<font color='red'>♦</font>
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.15) 9<font color='black'>♣</font> T<font color='red'>♥</font> J<font color='black'>♣</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35) 9<font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
Hero bets $0.34, BTN raises to $0.80 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $1.03
BTN wins $0.99
(Rake: $0.04)

I don't like folding.

Just smoothly call here.

Have to call since no betting will occur on the river.

You should call and could reevaluate on the river.

Alright, thanks for the feedback

hffjd2000 said:

Have to call since no betting will occur on the river.

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I have to say this bout SS'er, their strategy makes not much sense to me, but nevertheless , they can put y0u in some tight spots, especially here, yeah your calling cause this as well be the river betting wise

Why bet so large then fold? By betting pot on turn, you get 2:1 on a call when he shoves and commit yourself more. I would bet more like $0.20-$0.28. If he's gonna fold for pot, he's probably going to fold for 2/3 pot. And if he calls, you check-call the river to induce a bluff. And if he still raises all-in, you aren't as committed. That's my line anyway.

I also disagree that a good short stacker doesn't hit this flop. hands he could play from button include QT, QJ, JT, maybe even T9 or KQ (although he would probably 3-bet PF with a short stack).

Sohmurr said:

Why bet so large then fold? By betting pot on turn, you get 2:1 on a call when he shoves and commit yourself more. I would bet more like $0.20-$0.28. If he's gonna fold for pot, he's probably going to fold for 2/3 pot. And if he calls, you check-call the river to induce a bluff. And if he still raises all-in, you aren't as committed. That's my line anyway.

I also disagree that a good short stacker doesn't hit this flop. Hands he could play from button include QT, QJ, JT, maybe even T9 or KQ (although he would probably 3-bet PF with a short stack).

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Exactly! The hero is pot committed and can not fold here

If you are not pleased with the flop and intend to fold to a shove then you should not have played it aggressively post flop. But since you did you should not have fold there on the turn to a short stack. The call was not very expensive either. So making a fold after playing it the way you did was terrible.

joe777 said:

You should call and could reevaluate on the river.

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There is nothing to evaluate on the river as the player is all in on the turn. :biggrin:

suby_rafael said:

There is nothing to evaluate on the river as the player is all in on the turn. :biggrin:

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exactly their is no river for all intensive purposes here

suby_rafael said:

There is nothing to evaluate on the river as the player is all in on the turn. :biggrin:

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OOPSS,my mistake,i misread the hand LOL.

i ust wanna poke in there , don't take ss'er for granted , they can put you in very marginal spots with mid to weak holdings , not only that a lot of players auto-think ss'er = fish.. beware