$2 NLHE Full Ring: Tough river decision: nut straight on paired board

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 24/13/1.9

UTG - UTG ($1.73)
UTG+1 - Hero ($2.27)
MP - MP ($0.87)
MP2 - MP2 ($1.31)
CO - CO ($2.25)
BTN - BTN ($3.16)
SB - SB ($0.90)
BB - BB ($0.80)

Preflop: ($0.03, 8 players) Hero is UTG+1 with Kd Qd
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.07, 3 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: Js Th Jc ($0.27, 2 players - Hero: $2.15, BTN: $3.04)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: Ad ($0.47, 2 players - Hero: $2.05, BTN: $2.94)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

River: 5d ($1.07, 2 players - Hero: $1.75, BTN: $2.64)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.64 (all-in), Hero ??

KQ suited has been in my UTG+1 range for quite a while, don't know for sure if it's long term profitable in this spot... Anyway this guy lured me into putting more money in on every street. First the min 3 bet I couldn't get away from.

Then he c bet small OTF I felt i was getting such a cheap price to draw to a straight so I called (maybe spewy since my outs could be dirty?)

When the ace came I was kinda happy to hit my straight but then I realised that he could have AA since he min 3 bet preflop and when he barrelled the turn I was kinda worried that my straight was dead, but he could also have AK or something so I called again.

OTR I checked again with the intention of calling a reasonable sized bet. But then he moved all in, a big overbet. Should I just assume he has AA and fold? That's pretty much the only hand that beats me here but what else could he do this with?

Have to fold here. The villain may have AA or even JJ, but not worse hand here.

You really think AA would bet just over 1/3 the pot on the flop???? doubtful.

I believe it can eliminate some of the hands we beat... I can justify a call here.


flop why didn't we reraise??? seriously we have a decent draw, though we don't like the paired board. Our opponent could think we just going for pot control and hits us hard in the face?

You really think AA would bet just over 1/3 the pot on the flop???? doubtful.

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You'd be surprised. Most people at 2nl have no clue about bet sizing. Fish like to bet small with big hands to try and "not scare you away", I know cos I used to think like that. I've even seen people check twice in position with top set!

flop why didn't we reraise??? seriously we have a decent draw, though we don't like the paired board. Our opponent could think we just going for pot control and hits us hard in the face?

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In Blackrain's book he recommends not semibluffing with draws at 2nl unless against a known reg, or as a c bet. Check raising would be silly here because the guy's representing a reasonable amount of strength with the min 3 bet (often AA), so we probably aren't gonna get him off his hand. I don't wanna check raise and then get reraised. It's just a question of whether I have the (reverse!) implied odds to call his small bet, when my outs could be dirty if he has 10-10, JJ or AA.

In hindsight maybe I should have just folded on the flop, since I was OOP so hard to extract value from the straight if i hit.

And I think I agree with tomnovember about the river decision, should have folded really since AA, and occasionally JJ and 10-10, are like the only things that make sense when he bets so big. In the end I made a somewhat spewy call and he showed AA lol

I would bet/fold river

Arran said:

I would bet/fold river

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Good advice, thanks. At least then I'd know I'm beat for sure if he raises, and I'd get value from his AK type hands.

Arran said:

I would bet/fold river

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why? that is hella exploitable and you really don't accomplish much with this

rumsey182 said:

why? that is hella exploitable and you really don't accomplish much with this

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I don't think people will exploit you much at 2nl, and you can get value from hands like AK and AQ, whilst knowing you're beat when you get raised.

mottotom27 said:

I don't think people will exploit you much at 2nl, and you can get value from hands like AK and AQ, whilst knowing you're beat when you get raised.

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Agree. Bet fold is a good idea here. Checking here is also acceptable

Snap fold this on the river.

Villain know you might pay him off if you got a straight especially to the nuts so he goes for max value shoving all his stack which is not a good sign.

Super strong bets on a paired board mostly are for value and not a bluff. :stupido:

mottotom27 said:

I don't think people will exploit you much at 2nl, and you can get value from hands like AK and AQ, whilst knowing you're beat when you get raised.

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your doing something to " see where your at" basically,.. you realize this correct?

and just because someone isn't going to "exploit it" doesn't make it good. ANd playing 2nl you should focus on developing good habit thinking wise and game theory wise