$2 NLHE Full Ring: Top set monotone board without initiative

CO is playing 35/15/2
HJ is playing 24/11/2

I'm betting for value on the flop from big diamonds and smaller sets. Since I didn't get raised on the flop I figured keep firing for value from the same range, should find out here if I'm good or not. River I didn't have a plan for but decided to bet again for instead of checking and letting him name the price. I also didn't really think he had a set since he didn't pop the turn. Didn't work out so well though and now I'm thinking I might have made a mistake on the river. I've come to the realization river play is a big leak in my game. Thoughts on the hand?


Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $2.01
BB: $1.16
UTG: $2.02
UTG+1: $2.47
MP: $2.73
MP+1: $2.00
LP: $2.09
CO: $2.29
BTN: $0.98

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has J:spade: J:club:

UTG calls $0.02, fold, fold, fold, LP calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.06, fold, Hero calls $0.05, fold, UTG calls $0.04, LP calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.26, 4 players) 6:diamond: J:diamond: 8:diamond:
Hero bets $0.16, fold, LP calls $0.16, fold

Turn: ($0.58, 2 players) 3:club:
Hero bets $0.37, LP calls $0.37

River: ($1.32, 2 players) 5:club:
Hero bets $0.63, LP raises to $1.50 and is all-in, fold

LP wins $2.46

preflop should've been .08 ... if you go by the 3BBx + 1 limper rule.

Such a dangerous board would have to mean a higher bet on the flop. At least a pot size bet, maybe an oversize bet and get it all in if he reraises on the flop? He folds most the time and if he calls you have improvement.

Possibly checking the river could've saved you some money?... He's obviously not protecting his hand, so he must've had something. What was he like in previous hands, if he's a calling station your just putting dead money in on the river.

Always 3bet preflop for value here. As played make your bet sizes bigger and get all the money in. Or preferably, check/raise the flop since you are first to act of 4 people including the PFR so there will likely be a bet. This allows you to get more money in the pot.

3bet will most likely end the hand unless you have widened your range, unless someones tilting or a complete donk at the table?

JJ isn't in my 3betting range from the blinds.

I also didn't really think he had a set since he didn't pop the turn

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I meant flush, don't know why I typed set. I figured coming out donking was a better option then trying to check raise the flop and hoping the PFR cbets multiway on that board.

So my river bet is ok? I shoulda just made my bet sizes bigger so the river was a shove?

themosthigh said:

JJ isn't in my 3betting range from the blinds.



I meant flush, don't know why I typed set. I figured coming out donking was a better option then trying to check raise the flop and hoping the PFR cbets multiway on that board.

So my river bet is ok? I shoulda just made my bet sizes bigger so the river was a shove?

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At this level, JJ should be in your 3bet range. You will get called by plenty of weak suited aces and other lesser hands.

As for the river bet, I think what BlackRain said was true but as played im betting around .90ish hoping to induce a shove. But I guess problem with me is I have no respect for money at these stakes lol. So I like to GII with hands like these where I could very well be behind

My second barrel I was planning to bet fold so that's my reason for the bet size. Looking back I can see a pot size bet on the flop but if my plan is to bet fold the turn isn't a PSB way too much on the turn?

sigh... why do people fold these rivers so damn much? You're getting 3:1 to call and he has a ton more 2-pairs and 55s in his range than anything else. If he was gonna spaz out on a flush he'd have done it when he, you know, actually made it. Or maybe on the turn if he intended to trap.

wtf 3-bet pre

Always 3-betting pre, literally never folding.

Also, what possible reason would you have to not 3-bet JJ pre from the blinds? People love to flat call here. 3-bet to 2.5x his raise then bet 75% of the flop, EZ game.

Yeah and 3bet pre. Personally I like min-3betting IP vs a 3x raise, because it keeps him around with a wide range yet keeps other people out of the hand.

BlackRain79 said:

Always 3bet preflop for value here. As played make your bet sizes bigger and get all the money in. Or preferably, check/raise the flop since you are first to act of 4 people including the PFR so there will likely be a bet. This allows you to get more money in the pot.

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Would you 3bet preflop to about 25c and then check/gII on the flop if you had more than one caller?

NGavin_85 said:

Would you 3bet preflop to about 25c and then check/gII on the flop if you had more than one caller?

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For 100bb, absolutely. There are lower sets, two pairs, pair + ace of diamonds, naked ace of diamonds and who knows what else versus randomish bad looking players at NL2. Even if we are beat right now we have 10 outs twice.

BlackRain79 said:

For 100bb, absolutely. There are lower sets, two pairs, pair + ace of diamonds, naked ace of diamonds and who knows what else versus randomish bad looking players at NL2. Even if we are beat right now we have 10 outs twice.

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aka a 40% chance to win the pot on the flop even if villain has the nuts. which isnt that bad is it?( to play for stacks?)

vinylspiros said:

aka a 40% chance to win the pot on the flop even if villain has the nuts. which isnt that bad is it?( to play for stacks?)

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Ya and more times than not we will be getting it in with the best hand anyways. Clearly +EV get it in spot.