$2 NLHE Full Ring: Should I call the shove on the Turn? with a pair?

skrsh76 · Nov 9, 2013

Is this a very loose play?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

MP2 ($5.18)
MP3 ($1.29)
CO ($2.03)
Button ($2.42)
SB ($1.57)
BB ($1.10)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($2)
Hero (MP1) ($1.91)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A

, 10

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 4 folds, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 5

, 2

, 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, SB calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.34) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, SB raises to $1.41 (All-In), Hero calls $1.17

River: ($3.16) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $3.16 | Rake: $0.15

Results below:

SB had 3

, 4

(straight, five high).
Hero had A

, 10

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: SB won $3.01

LD1977 · Nov 9, 2013

In 2NL, turn attack from passives is always 2P+, so you have to hit the river and A/T outs might be questionable... folding is best.

Aces2w1n · Nov 9, 2013

People don't really hide their strong hands well in these levels ... Normally a good SB player will be tighter as well so you could be easily dominated with A10 .. you want 2 pair minimum to feel somewhat safe on a dry board. On a wet board like this and you didn't have 2pair your really struggling to call this, think what you can beat? A bluff nothing else.

Wardy88 · Nov 13, 2013

Your preflop and flop bets are fine.

on the turn .24c is good you're getting called by a lot of flush draws, pocket pairs and weaker Ax that floated the flop. The check raise all in on the turn at this level is never a bluff unless you have a read that this player is crazy. I fold and look for a better spot.

twohaha · Nov 13, 2013

Yeah that allin check is almost never a bluff, he likely has a 3, also I would assume that the villain calls a wide range preflop, so there are a lot of 3s in his range.

ChipEaterMan · Nov 13, 2013

You shouldn't call on the turn, by the amount of your opponent's raise it smells as if the ace gave him the straight

Beanfacekilla · Nov 13, 2013

I did not look at the spoiler yet.

I say fold. I don't think 1 pair is gonna be a winner here.

Now I will look at spoiler to see if I was right.

John A · Nov 13, 2013

I don't think it's horrible, but you do need to ingrain in your head that players will play passive in most spots. That being said, they also will over value their hands, so it's a fine line. Usually though they will over value by calling down too far, not getting their stack in, unless they are a gambling micro player.

On a side note, why do you all you guys raise so small at these stakes? If you're doing this because you watched some training vids of guys opening 2.5x or 3x, that strategy shouldn't apply to most micro games. You want to open at least 3.5x to 4.5x in your games. You're still going to get called by worse a ton, and this way you maximize the value of your good hands. You shouldn't need to play a wide range of hands at these stakes. Play good hands for max value, play some speculative hands in position, and allow the money to flow into your BR.

bgomez89 · Nov 13, 2013

John A said:
On a side note, why do you all you guys raise so small at these stakes? If you're doing this because you watched some training vids of guys opening 2.5x or 3x, that strategy shouldn't apply to most micro games. You want to open at least 3.5x to 4.5x in your games. You're still going to get called by worse a ton, and this way you maximize the value of your good hands. You shouldn't need to play a wide range of hands at these stakes. Play good hands for max value, play some speculative hands in position, and allow the money to flow into your BR.

Exactly. Normally at 2nl my standard raise would be 5-6x. As far as the hand goes, turn seems like an easy fold to me.

Aren't you FR nits supposed to fold ATo in MP1?

Beanfacekilla · Nov 13, 2013

bgomez89 said:
Exactly. Normally at 2nl my standard raise would be 5-6x. As far as the hand goes, turn seems like an easy fold to me.

Aren't you FR nits supposed to fold ATo in MP1?

Yes I believe A-10o is not for FR in that position.

vinylspiros · Nov 14, 2013

John A said:
I don't think it's horrible, but you do need to ingrain in your head that players will play passive in most spots. That being said, they also will over value their hands, so it's a fine line. Usually though they will over value by calling down too far, not getting their stack in, unless they are a gambling micro player.

On a side note, why do you all you guys raise so small at these stakes? If you're doing this because you watched some training vids of guys opening 2.5x or 3x, that strategy shouldn't apply to most micro games. You want to open at least 3.5x to 4.5x in your games. You're still going to get called by worse a ton, and this way you maximize the value of your good hands. You shouldn't need to play a wide range of hands at these stakes. Play good hands for max value, play some speculative hands in position, and allow the money to flow into your BR.

3.5x-4.5X opens are very unusual at these stakes and are usually a signal of RED ALERT.

I mean are you reccomending them as a standard play or only when you have a premium?

Either way though, it is uncommon to see someone open with anything more than a "POT" bet.

I mean 3.5 is ok but 4.5 i dont remember seeing anyone open with.

redwards92 · Nov 14, 2013

When I play 2NL my standard raise is 4x.

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