$2 NLHE Full Ring: Should I raise the turn?

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Villain Stats were 20/0/2 over just 5 hands.

When I get my flush on the turn should I raise? My thinking was that he was being the aggressor (and might have second nut flush) so I'd let him bet the river and raise then. Is this a risky strategy?

Thanks for your help!


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BTN: $0.54 (27 bb)
SB: $2.24 (112 bb)
BB: $2.30 (115 bb)
UTG+1: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
UTG+2: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
Hero (MP1): $3.43 (171.5 bb)
MP2: $1.13 (56.5 bb)
MP3: $0.82 (41 bb)
CO: $2.07 (103.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A
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UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 4 folds, SB calls $0.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.20) 9
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SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.36) J
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SB bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

River: ($0.52) K
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SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.62, SB calls $0.52
 
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Easy turn raise. In order to get stacks in, you need to raise the turn. The jack isn't the greatest card in the deck, but there are enough combos that will pay you off. And if you don't get stacks in against sets, J9, or the odd slowplayed over pair you're burning dollas.
 
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c9h13no3 said:
Easy turn raise. In order to get stacks in, you need to raise the turn. The jack isn't the greatest card in the deck, but there are enough combos that will pay you off. And if you don't get stacks in against sets, J9, or the odd slowplayed over pair you're burning dollas.
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Thanks C9 - I think he might have folded in this case but I understand that in the long run it's the best move. Will make sure to do this in future,
 
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Fold pre.

As played, raise the flop. He bets less than half the pot, looks pretty week.

As played, raise the turn. He bets 1/4 the size of the pot, so he's either super weak and won't do much on the riv anyway, or has no concept of bet-sizing and you can get way more out of him. I raise to like 30c on the turn prob.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "risky strategy" in the OP, considering we are nearly 100% equity against any range here. Unless by "risky" you mean that he might fold. Oh wel. You will make way more off him by betting big and making him fold a bit more than by just calling his tiny bets and letting him bet tiny again.
 
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Scourrge said:
Fold pre.

As played, raise the flop. He bets less than half the pot, looks pretty week.

As played, raise the turn. He bets 1/4 the size of the pot, so he's either super weak and won't do much on the riv anyway, or has no concept of bet-sizing and you can get way more out of him. I raise to like 30c on the turn prob.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "risky strategy" in the OP, considering we are nearly 100% equity against any range here. Unless by "risky" you mean that he might fold. Oh wel. You will make way more off him by betting big and making him fold a bit more than by just calling his tiny bets and letting him bet tiny again.
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Thsnks Scourge. What I meant was if it was risky allowing him to carry on in the hand and see another card. If the board paired I would be worried about a full house. His bets were so small they were almost like checks. Strangely a lot of players do this at 2NL and I'm never sure if it's because they're trying to induce a raise because they have a very strong hand. Maybe I'm overthinking it though. As you say, he could just be terrible at bet sizing.

Yes, that's not normally a playable hand in MP. I am working on tightening up but every now and then I slip up!

(Turns out he had nothing until he hit his K on the river. Didn't expect him to call my large raise but he did. Totally puzzled as to why he played the hand that way.)
 
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Scourrge said:
Fold pre.

As played, raise the flop. He bets less than half the pot, looks pretty week.

As played, raise the turn. He bets 1/4 the size of the pot, so he's either super weak and won't do much on the riv anyway, or has no concept of bet-sizing and you can get way more out of him. I raise to like 30c on the turn prob.

I'm not really sure what you mean by "risky strategy" in the OP, considering we are nearly 100% equity against any range here. Unless by "risky" you mean that he might fold. Oh wel. You will make way more off him by betting big and making him fold a bit more than by just calling his tiny bets and letting him bet tiny again.
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All of this
 
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honeycrush said:
Thsnks Scourge. What I meant was if it was risky allowing him to carry on in the hand and see another card. If the board paired I would be worried about a full house. His bets were so small they were almost like checks. Strangely a lot of players do this at 2NL and I'm never sure if it's because they're trying to induce a raise because they have a very strong hand. Maybe I'm overthinking it though. As you say, he could just be terrible at bet sizing.

Yes, that's not normally a playable hand in MP. I am working on tightening up but every now and then I slip up!

(Turns out he had nothing until he hit his K on the river. Didn't expect him to call my large raise but he did. Totally puzzled as to why he played the hand that way.)
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Here's the thing. You said you didn't want to push out his weak hands, but you're afraid of cards to come too? You can't slow down because you are worried about cards that may come.

We bet when scarier cards can come... That's called value betting against draws/weaker hands. And even if the board DOES pair, a FH is a relatively small part of his range the way the hand was played. AND the likelihood of the board pairing isn't even that high anyway, so don't be afraid of monsters under the bed.
 
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